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Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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That's assuming people play games in well-defined shifts. I find it more likely to have 8 users play between 8pm and 11pm and zero users for the rest of the day.

Sure, but if they can spot-price other loads on them the rest of the time, I could see it working out.

But they don't, that's the point.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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They don't have to match what it would be sold for wholesale though, just need to match the marginal cost. A graphics card that can run a AAA game is less than $500, so I don't think they are losing much on $9.99 a month. That's over $100 a year, and if each users plays 3 hours a day you can have 8 users using the same hardware at different times. Now I don't think they are using consumer hardware, and there are othe…

That's assuming people play games in well-defined shifts. I find it more likely to have 8 users play between 8pm and 11pm and zero users for the rest of the day.

Don't forget weekends vs weekdays.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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This is the entire problem. Swap “Google” for “AWS” in the article and you’d have legions of folks calling foul on the article. Instead, most folks are nodding along to the article going “yep, seems like something Google would do all right…” Google’s problem remains its reputation for turning things off.

The issue is that folks here think GCP is the same thing as Google Reader. That's absurd. Google is currently building a massive $500 million datacenter outside of Reno as we speak, and has 10+ billion invested in their datacenter cloud offering buildout this year alone. GCP and the entire physical infrastructure isn't going to get "turned off" if it isn't #1 in the market in 3 years, that's just silly. https://9to5g…

> 10+ billion invested

These are big numbers to us, but it's about 1/4 of their quarterly revenue--i.e. they bring in 16 times that number every year.

Don't think they wouldn't sell it to Amazon or Microsoft in a heartbeat if they decided to exit the cloud business.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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> So it's not about being #1, it's about being profitable. The problem Google has with the developer community is largely around the fact that Google has a long history of pulling the rug out from our feet. There have been 3 stories on HN in the past couple weeks alone about Google products which have either been dropped or changed significantly such that they are no longer viable for developers to use. Google has lo…

This is the entire problem. Swap “Google” for “AWS” in the article and you’d have legions of folks calling foul on the article. Instead, most folks are nodding along to the article going “yep, seems like something Google would do all right…” Google’s problem remains its reputation for turning things off.

Amazon and Microsoft are much better at support though. I doubt you’ll see a lot of Google cloud in the European public sector where I work for instance. Google simply doesn’t know how to work with us or give us the reassurances we need to trust them.

I’m by no means a AWA or Azure fanboy, I’m on the team that hopes we get a solid European alternative, but until we do both Amazon and Microsoft are leagues ahead of Google.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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you're missing the point. Google has a bad habit of shelving services that people use. If it's never happened to anything you use, good for you, but if I was in a position to make a choice like that I'd be very hesitant to go with a company with such a history of shutting down services.

If people can't tell the difference between free consumer products and paid enterprise services (appengine has been running since 2008) then they have bigger problems when it comes to decision making.

This was the Hire by Google sales pitch.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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I'm on the fence on Stadia - compute hardware prices keep dropping like a rock. What if we see viable $200 gaming rigs in 10 years? But I digress Google can utilize dark GPU hardware for numerous tasks. For example, YouTube video transcoding, ML, and Cloud batch processing.

> What if we see viable $200 gaming rigs in 10 years? Games, like websites, seem to expand to fit the available space. Today's smartphones would beat a ten year old mega-powered gaming PC.

Our two positions are not mutually exclusive. The price of even a top-line gaming rig could drop significantly over the next 10-20 years.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Has this become just a commodity war, or are there major sustainably exclusive technology/IP advantages that define the competition (e.g. processor, hypervisor, database, CDN, OS license)? It seems like third-party suppliers are chipping away at leads in each of these. Is UX or lock-in a significant differentiatior? What is it that defines this business?

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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It’s just as easy to move .Net Framework workloads to AWS as it is to Azure.

Companies prefer to purchase services within an established contract than to go ahead and sign a new one with new provider and go through the bidding process. Also .Net is synonymous with microsoft so there is no reason to trust AWS, it's not their priority, they are a Perl and Java shop in general.

AWS is always bragging that they have twice as many Windows VMs than Azure.

AWS a Perl shop?

All of AWS services treat C# .Net Core as a first class citizen.

- CodeBuild has prebuilt C# .Net Core images for building apps. For licensing reasons they don’t have prebuilt Windows/Framework containers but their instructions are so clear that I was able to build one before I knew anything about Docker

- Lambda has native support for .Net Core 2.x and the C# SDK for AWS has a template to build a custom runtime for C# 3.x

- Speaking of which, the AWS SDK and plug-in for C#/Visual Studio and the corresponding Nuget packages are excellent and fully featured.

- The CloudFormation Developer Kit supports C#

- There are CodeStar and ElasticBeanstalk getting started templates for .Net Framework and .Net Core

What are they missing?

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Free consumer products are not the same as paid enterprise services. The markets are entirely different, and ascribing the fate of Google Reader as a sign of anything on the B2B front doesn't make sense.

That's irrelevant. Its about trust, commitment and sticking it out. Google's penchant of throwing shit against a wall to see what sticks seems to prevent them from applying themselves to increase the stickiness of their shit. You simply cannot trust Google to do right by me, the user. That's it.

See, the thing is though, that they kill stuff that DOES stick as well. There's plenty of stuff in the Google Graveyard that was still widely used, with large user base, and they kill it anyway. There's no consistent logic to their killing of products. Sometimes they simply don't want to update it, sometimes it's purely internal politics (G+), sometimes there's just no reason we can find.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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I want to put on end to the "you can't contact Google" comments that comes up every time Google Cloud makes the front page. You can contact Google Cloud. They are very responsive. I'm currently at a small startup using GCP, and I've been at similarly sized startups with equivalent AWS spends. I have found it easier to have serious discussions with GCP, compared to AWS. We have dedicated GCP contacts. We actually have…

Well, that's Google brand power for you: when one of their services has support that isn't shitty, nobody believes it anyway.
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