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Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by devit »

Maybe they could consider applying more reasonable pricing?

E.g. Hetzner offers an 8-core 128GB Xeon SkyLake machine with unlimited 1gbps traffic for around $120/month while Google offers n1-highmem-8 with 8 cores and 52GB and no traffic for $240/month.

1gbps unlimited traffic on Hetzner means 324 TB/month, which would cost 26000$ on GCP at the lowest 0.08$/GB rate.

So I would consider cutting the instance prices by half, and dividing the bandwidth prices by 1000, and then they will be competitive.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by dmix »

ec109685 wrote: post #689
smt88 wrote: post #658

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There's no evidence that YouTube is profitable[1]. In fact, there's no evidence any of this is profitable. Android, Gmail, and Maps make money from ads, not from charging users directly. That makes them the same business as search. Hardware businesses like Home and Chromecast usually aren't profitable, and Google (like Amazon) is likely using them to keep people in their ecosystem. That leaves Drive, which might have…

Gmail makes money from enterprises that use Gsuite.

It said in the article G Suite might account for the bulk of Google Clouds revenue, since its combined in their financial reports with the infrastructure stuff and G Suite is extremely popular.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by dmix »

manigandham wrote: post #613
jussij wrote: post #605

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> It's completely nonsensical to consider that a company this big with this much investment already will exit that opportunity. Most big corporations will exit any market, no matter how big if that market does not turn a profit.

Cloud computing is massively profitable.

Interestingly we don’t even know if Azure is making a lot of money because Microsoft obscures it even harder than Google in their financial reports.

Microsoft has one hell of an enterprise sales and marketing machine though, probably the best in the world, so I’d assume they are doing quite well, even if they are mostly reinvesting it.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by ElonMuskrat »

foobiekr wrote: post #544
novok wrote: post #522

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Time zones are a thing.

Games are latency sensitive and thus region sensitive. Multiplexing opportunities here are poor. Stadia is a terrible idea business-wise as Google has defined it.

I'm on the fence on Stadia - compute hardware prices keep dropping like a rock. What if we see viable $200 gaming rigs in 10 years? But I digress

Google can utilize dark GPU hardware for numerous tasks. For example, YouTube video transcoding, ML, and Cloud batch processing.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by michaelt »

manigandham wrote: post #720
retpirato wrote: post #641

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you're missing the point. Google has a bad habit of shelving services that people use. If it's never happened to anything you use, good for you, but if I was in a position to make a choice like that I'd be very hesitant to go with a company with such a history of shutting down services.

If people can't tell the difference between free consumer products and paid enterprise services (appengine has been running since 2008) then they have bigger problems when it comes to decision making.

Google Maps is a paid enterprise service, and while they didn't discontinue it, they did increase the price by 14x.

Of course, personally I chose AWS over Google Cloud well before that, because Google Cloud's authentication is so complicated and their examples so indecipherable.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by kjaftaedi »

res0nat0r wrote: post #672
QuinnyPig wrote: post #546

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This is the entire problem. Swap “Google” for “AWS” in the article and you’d have legions of folks calling foul on the article. Instead, most folks are nodding along to the article going “yep, seems like something Google would do all right…” Google’s problem remains its reputation for turning things off.

The issue is that folks here think GCP is the same thing as Google Reader. That's absurd. Google is currently building a massive $500 million datacenter outside of Reno as we speak, and has 10+ billion invested in their datacenter cloud offering buildout this year alone. GCP and the entire physical infrastructure isn't going to get "turned off" if it isn't #1 in the market in 3 years, that's just silly. https://9to5g…

Surely you realize that GCP is not a single product offering, it's a collection of products.

https://cloud.google.com/products/

If you wanted to make a comparison, you should compare Google Reader to Traffic Director or DialogFlow

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by michaelt »

pathseeker wrote: post #553
itp wrote: post #492

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> (Incidentally, and you lose the game if you cancel your Stadia subscription.) That is a factually incorrect statement. You lose access to any games you claimed for free as a benefit of your Stadia Pro membership if you cancel your membership; you regain access to those games if you renew, but you will not gain access to games that were offered for free during any interval where you were not a subscriber. You retain…

>That is a factually incorrect statement. Oh, so if I cancel my Stadia subscription I can still play the games?

TLDR: Yes.

As far as I can tell from [1] the situation is:

* Per-game purchase price.

* There's a free 1080p streaming tier.

* There's a $10/mo 4k streaming tier, which also includes discounts on games and some free games.

* However, you won't be able to convert your Stadia-purchased games into local games or Steam codes.

* And of course you won't be able to close your Stadia/Google account and still keep your games.

[1] https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-06-06-google-stadia-...

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by ceejayoz »

ElonMuskrat wrote: post #774
foobiekr wrote: post #544

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Games are latency sensitive and thus region sensitive. Multiplexing opportunities here are poor. Stadia is a terrible idea business-wise as Google has defined it.

I'm on the fence on Stadia - compute hardware prices keep dropping like a rock. What if we see viable $200 gaming rigs in 10 years? But I digress Google can utilize dark GPU hardware for numerous tasks. For example, YouTube video transcoding, ML, and Cloud batch processing.

> What if we see viable $200 gaming rigs in 10 years?

Games, like websites, seem to expand to fit the available space. Today's smartphones would beat a ten year old mega-powered gaming PC.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by coldpie »

milesward wrote: post #469
Analemma_ wrote: post #108

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Agreed, this is a disaster. A lot of leaks simply don't matter all that much-- Apple might get annoyed at iPhone leaks, but they probably don't affect sales one bit-- but this is dead serious. I hope Google's C-suite is treating this article as the PR equivalent of a Sev-1 servers-on-fire emergency, because it is. If they don't come out swinging today and announcing that they're all-in on GCP for the long haul, it's…

Urs, as is typical, responded to the concern prior to the emergency: https://twitter.com/uhoelzle/status/1187607276988723200?s=19

Someone needs to invent an adblock for stupid meme gifs. That page is fucking unreadable, holy cow.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by iaml »

res0nat0r wrote: post #672
QuinnyPig wrote: post #546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the entire problem. Swap “Google” for “AWS” in the article and you’d have legions of folks calling foul on the article. Instead, most folks are nodding along to the article going “yep, seems like something Google would do all right…” Google’s problem remains its reputation for turning things off.

The issue is that folks here think GCP is the same thing as Google Reader. That's absurd. Google is currently building a massive $500 million datacenter outside of Reno as we speak, and has 10+ billion invested in their datacenter cloud offering buildout this year alone. GCP and the entire physical infrastructure isn't going to get "turned off" if it isn't #1 in the market in 3 years, that's just silly. https://9to5g…

Yeah, GCP is not the same as Google Reader, more like Google Maps. But that one recently had some changes that royally fucked some businesses over by changing pricing and quotas, so maybe not so absurd after all.
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