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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by commandlinefan »

xyzzy21 wrote: post #739
commandlinefan wrote: post #706

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> I'm going to do everything I can to not let it And until yesterday, that was entirely your choice! Unfortunately, as of today, it isn't any more.

It's still a choice! If they fire you, that's a better option if you don't believe the vaccines are safe (they have NOT been fully tested - you are a guinea pig in the safety trials if you got the jab), the vaccines have NOT been approved (the lie of the claim otherwise is that no currently available vaccine has been approved - they are all still in EUA - they are still experimental while the "approved" Pfizer vaccin…

That's true - "obey or starve" is strictly still a choice.

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Post by zxcvbn4038 »

Dma54rhs wrote: post #746
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #462

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Smoking kills 500,000 people per year in the US - which is only slightly less then COVID at current rates - I don't see anyone rushing to shut that down. Heart disease kills 650,000 per year, but there is still a McDonalds and Taco Bell on every corner.

They should introduce scales in addition to big events, since we know the obese are the main ones that overflow the hospitals. Pandemic over 1.5yrs now.. Plenty of time to do your job and lose weight.

Haha! That is the perfect and natural conclusion - want to see a movie? Or attend the big game? First we need to check your temperature and weigh you in.

The IRS can be in charge of making sure every American purchased at least one ADA approved toothbrush, submit your proof with your tax return.

We can give ration books for processed meat products - if you can’t choose wisely then the state will choose for you.

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Post by Madmallard »

kbos87 wrote: post #731
Hunter235711 wrote: post #687

I am not anti-vax, but I STRONGLY oppose this vaccine mandate. Looking at the CDC data here: ( https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex... ) there have been 3,043 covid deaths in the 18-29 year range out of 103,738 total deaths in that same age range. I'm 29 and in good health. I know I'm much more likely to die from activities I enjoy like rock climbing, farm work, skydiving, driving my car, but…

There are so many conveniently chosen facts and holes in your argument that I don’t even know where to begin. The CDC dataset you cite above only reflects death, not the serious illness and disability ~30% of people end up with. Yes, vaccinated individuals can spread COVID, but this is dramatically less likely if you are vaccinated. You assume you’ll be less likely to spread delta because you’ll quarantine, but you i…

Show the evidence that young adults are getting severe long term effects 30% of the time from covid.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #712
moistrobot wrote: post #673

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There's no way to split geographically, and it won't be clean.

Well, one side is contained in a limited number of cities…

But those cities are in every state. I guess we could potentially see the rise of the city state again.

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Post by josho »

BurningFrog wrote: post #313
josho wrote: post #266

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> We still don't really understand how diet affects health long term. I thought it was pretty clear that we do. Go talk to any physician and they will tell you the 3 things you control to increase your chances of a long & healthy life are: 1. Limit alcohol/tobacco 2. exercise frequently 3. eat a healthy diet Are you suggesting for #3 they have no data to back that recommendation up?

They have a lot of recommendations. The problem is that they change radically about once per decade. ~10 years ago they still thought eating fat made you fat, and recommended high carb diets. Perhaps the 2021 recommendations are finally the correct ones. But how do I know that?

Yeh, that's science. As we learn more the guidance is refined. Generally speaking for decades the guidance has been to eat a well balanced diet—that hasn't changed.

There is also a second issue, government agencies have been co-opted by industry to make recommendations not supported by the science. I'm specifically thinking about recommendations around fat&sugar, the same thing you called out that indicates the problem is not the science but rather regulatory capture.

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Post by Madmallard »

robmccoll wrote: post #364
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

Yeah what's next? Making other behaviors that have a small but established likelihood of endangering the lives of others or their property illegal at little to no cost to the liberty of an individual? Pretty soon I won't be able to drive my car under the influence, or without proper insurance, or while not wearing a seatbelt, or I won't be able to discharge my firearms in my 0.2 acre backyard in a suburban area. 650,…

“ 650,000 people have died and that's with taking some pretty extreme precautions (for what we consider extreme anyway). It's not just the old or the infirm. Healthy people in their 20s and 30s. Toddlers. We have gone to war over much less.”

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...

Given that 10% of the population has been exposed at this point that makes likelihood of dying in the young age ranges extremely low. So many commonplace things people do in these age ranges have a vastly higher chance of causing death.

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Post by TechBro8615 »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #774
TechBro8615 wrote: post #712

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Well, one side is contained in a limited number of cities…

But those cities are in every state. I guess we could potentially see the rise of the city state again.

They also get their food deliveries from the opposing party, so maybe we’ll see something else.

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Post by dntrkv »

slavboj wrote: post #412
walterbell wrote: post #5

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The MMR vaccine required by school is sterilizing, once and done. Intramuscular Covid vaccines provide blood/serum antibodies that can reduce the risk of severe disease or death, but they are non-sterilizing. They never promised to prevent infection and the CDC has updated their definitions to make that clear. Why would employers need legal immunity? Their lawyers may want to look closely at the legal immunity protec…

"They never promised to prevent infection" Are we really going to bother digging up the copious video evidence this is a lie? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xcur3kwCyg

Like the MD in your video pointed out, it _reduces_ transmission, it does not completely eliminate it. Nobody has ever claimed that it does.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

ctrlp wrote: post #345
Jeema101 wrote: post #306

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It ends when half a million+ people per year (in the US anyway) aren't dying of a preventable disease - not to mention probably millions more suffering long term effects. I see a familiar pattern with sentiments like this: showing lots of hand-wringing over civil liberties, but seemingly no concern over all the people who have died and who have been incapacitated. Those people had a right to not be exposed to a deadl…

I also see a familiar pattern with sentiments like yours. There is little to no concern for people whose livelihoods or psychological health were harmed by health policies that prioritize the vulnerable minority over everyone else, including children. Health policy diktats aimed at saving every life will inevitably harm many in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. Will the cumulative harms ever be counted? Not likely as it…

I don't think I've seen any evidence that there is little to no concern for those things

unless you count "not getting your way" as evidence that nobody is concerned

just consider the possibility that, that other people consider other things to be more harmful to individuals and society, and thus more important to prioritize when interests compete

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

disneygibson wrote: post #479
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #440

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As in most such trade-offs, the "cost to freedom" and "infringing of rights", to the extent they actually exist, factor into the cost/benefit decision of whether or not to ultimately go through with the mandate since everybody has their own opinion on where that balance is, there will always be individuals unhappy with what decision makers decide

No, that isn’t how rights work. They are guarantees that cannot be violated, no matter how democratically popular they are.

That is certainly one theory of government, but it is not the only one, or probably even the most popular one. For instance, we have many laws that infringe free speech rights, and the great majority of people are perfectly fine with that. Your platonic ideal of “rights” isn’t the way rights actually work in the real world.
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