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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 8:51 PM UTC

vdnkh wrote: post #638

JasonFruit wrote: post #586

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> domestic terrorists I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that you don't have a lot of exposure to terrorism. A bunch of idiots breaking into the Capitol and… mostly wandering around taking selfies? Not really very effective terrorists. It was a stupid, pointless move, and illegal — but a long, long way short of terrorism, except possibly on the very fringes of some three-letter organization's idiosyncratic def…

> mostly wandering around taking selfie And the ones not taking selfies were running around with zip ties and IEDs. Just because some of them were idiots, doesn't mean they all were. Edit: how do you think these "idiots" got in? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=20m04s&v=cJOgGsC0G9U

Is there proof they had actual IEDs? Zip ties are bad, but they're not in the same universe as IEDs. If they had IEDs I'd be way more open to the idea of characterizing this as terrorism, and all that comes with it.

Edit: It sounds like the cops say they found IEDs. I'll be following that closely to update my view on the proper response to this.

Edit2: Actually the report is that the IEDs were not found at the Capitol or as part of that but near the RNC and DNC offices elsewhere, and a pipe bomb was found in a car. So there is no evidence that the people who entered the capitol were carrying bombs. The specifics in this case matter.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Miner49er » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 8:52 PM UTC

pie_flavor wrote: post #723

Miner49er wrote: post #562

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Not remotely true. /r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned a while back too. If anything, they target the left more.

As an excuse for banning T_D and a bunch of other right leaning subs at the same time, and then blatantly ignored ban-evading r/ChapoTrapHouse2 for months . When they finally took them down for ban evasion, it was an excuse to ban another giant wave of right wing subs. EDIT: Original claim is left intact for posterity, but it is definitely wrong and I misremembered. Reddit has its moderation oddities but claiming the…

No, it was the other way around. T_D was already dead. The mods had already locked it and moved to thedonald.win. Banning it was meaningless, they just did it to make the /r/chapotraphouse ban look more fair.

Here's a list of subs banned that day with active user counts:

https://www.redditstatic.com/banned-subreddits-june-2020.txt

Chapo was the largest by a large margin besides /r/darkhumorandmemes (edgy jokes).

And you are just straight up lying about /r/chapotraphouse2. It was banned the same day, as was /r/chapotraphouse3 through /r/chapotraphouse49.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by nomel » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 8:52 PM UTC

diveanon wrote: post #345

More virtue signaling for the incoming administration. Reddit, Facebook, and most of all Twitter need to take a hard look at themselves and role they played in all of this. Waiting until after an armed insurrection occurs is not good enough.

If they used a privately hosted forum, should that forum owner take some of the blame? Would about IRC server operator? What about an iMessage group? Most of this was probably made discoverable by google searches. Should google take some of the blame?

I don't understand why we have to blame the means of communication and method of discoverability rather than the, most likely mentally disturbed, people. Claiming that a very small group of unsane people bust into the capitol is some fundamental problem seems hyperbolic and reactionary to me.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by CyberRabbi » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 8:53 PM UTC

jakelazaroff wrote: post #603

CyberRabbi wrote: post #499

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Were you scared of the women’s March murdering you after they “stormed” the capitol? https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20

This is like hearing someone at a bank saying they were scared a masked robber was going to murder them, and responding “were you scared of the customer who came in before them murdering you too?” The terrorists who stormed the capital on Wednesday have a history of violence and connections to various far right extremist and terrorist groups. They came carrying weapons, zip ties and bombs. Don’t pretend there’s no di…

Your argument amounts to “When we do it, it’s okay.”

It’s founded on the presumption of bad faith, which is bad faith in itself.

The fact is that the only people who died during the 1/6/21 event were part of the protestors.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by ufmace » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

mint2 wrote: post #746

ufmace wrote: post #710

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Let's play paraphrase and switch sides! The terrorists who have been rioting all across America for the last 6 months have a history of violence and connections to various far-left extremist and terrorist groups. They have roamed the cities carrying out attacks with bricks, molotov cocktails, blinding lasers, pepper spray, and other weapons. They have planted bombs and carried firearms. They have been endorsed wholeh…

Except what you’re saying is false. Democrats overwhelmingly condemned the riots and violence during the BLM protests. But most protests and protestors were peaceful and they supported those ones. If everyone is going to knowingly twist facts like your post does, there is no point in even trying to debate.

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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 8:55 PM UTC

commandlinefan wrote: post #385

Bayart wrote: post #233

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Back when I was a kid the red-headed step children of the Internet were the warez, neo-nazi, « revolutionary » (read bomb-making), spam and snuff sites. I'm probably missing a few categories. And that's just the contentious stuff. There are things that even the most zealous free speech maniacs would have a hard time convincing themselves should be allowed even a modicum of publicity. Child porn is the most blatant on…

So you're literally using banning child porn to justify banning political discussion: exactly what free speech advocates predicted when censorship hit the internet.

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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by michaelmrose » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 8:56 PM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #262

michaelmrose wrote: post #174

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If you wonder why they are threatened consider parler and the things people post there. Please forgive the language it is verbatim and I think threats of violence are more offensive than bad words. > You had better be ready partriots! It is go time very soon. We must attack all central communications to big cities are democratic cities. Fiber optics telecom bridges supply routes we can starve those motherfuckers to d…

> "the things people post there" You mean, the things a tiny handful of people post there. Most posters are center-right and don't advocate violence. I would also note that there's been plenty of talk of violence against conservatives on left-leaning platforms, Twitter especially but many others. These people are never called out even if they talk about "rounding them up and putting them in camps" and similar Nazi-li…

Are you actually on Parler? It doesn't take 100% support for the actual malicious act think of it like a funnel.

Say 45% support their party

70% believes in the lie that the election was stolen

20% believes that violence is warranted

10% is willing to do violence.

Start with a population of over 330M and you get over 2 million insurgents.

Peace requires those funnel steps to be way smaller.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 8:56 PM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #287

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #247

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The people screaming "Free Speech" are well aware of the content and viewpoints espoused by sites like Parler and T_D. The fact of the matter is that they are supportive of people being killed and white supremacist autocracy being installed.

I don't know what "T_D" is, but Parler doesn't "espouse" anything. It was founded as an alternative to the social media companies that are de-platforming right wing voices. That doesn't mean more than a tiny percentage on Parler are "supportive of people being killed". Actually I'd like to see some examples - have not yet seen anyone there advocate for violence. Parler actually does remove such postings so if you see…

> It was founded as an alternative to the social media companies that are de-platforming right wing voices.

"de-platforming right wing voices" is such a bad faith interpretation of what's happening and I'm getting really frustrated that the right continues to pretend they're being censored.

You can have different opinions on plenty of political issues. Taxes, healthcare, abortion, gun rights, military spending, education spending, etc. Arguing in favor of low taxes, eliminating funding for public healthcare, banning abortion, etc. will not get you de-platformed.

What gets you removed is racism, bigotry, and inciting violence. Of course, nobody thinks they're racist. Even Neo-Nazi Richard Spencer denies being racist.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 8:57 PM UTC

2020swillbelit wrote: post #518

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #490

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They are decoupled from society because they see a dimming of the white hegemony that has lit their world for centuries. No amount of listening to their Jim Crow rhetoric will ever change that.

Then to you, they are too far gone and are already enemies. I only see conflict arising through that perspective. I have too much to lose for that to happen. I hope you realize the implications of your line of thought, not to just yourself, but to society around you.

I'm African-American, US History is dripping with blood from the countless times whit supremacy has reasserted itself over and over again. This isn't anything new or special.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by stale2002 » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 8:57 PM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #478

onehair wrote: post #374

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It's one thing for a mod in a forum to ban someone, as it sometimes only represents the opinions of that mod, and maybe be backed by rules (and trends) It's another thing for social media to do it. although they are all private companies, they remain a very global big force, that do not have reach only in the US, but are global and can do the same and affect many countries and politics across the globe. Soon, if not…

> It's another thing for social media to do it. Why? Removing a subreddit isn't the same as banning a user. A ban is a ban is a ban.

> Why?

For the same reason that the government banning something is worse than when a private company does it.

Because one party has way more power and ability to actually ban someone.

Kicking someone out of my house is less powerful/effective at preventing speech than being banned by a subreddit, which is less effective than the website banning you, which is less effective than a bunch of websites banning you, which is less effective than the government banning it.

The more effective a ban is, the more careful we have to be about it. Because if the government bans you, that is going to have very significantly different consequences than me not letting a friend in my house.