Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump” • Hacker News Board

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by toomuchtodo » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:53 PM UTC

jakearmitage wrote: post #162

toomuchtodo wrote: post #41

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What other options do you have if you can't educate or have intellectual discourse with people who are fabricating reality or deeply believe in conspiracy theories? It's like trying to pull someone out of a cult like Scientology. Of course, attempt to engage to improve the situation and help someone obtain ground truth on their own from legitimate information sources, but when it's obviously hopeless insulate yoursel…

> if you can't educate or have intellectual discourse with people who are fabricating reality or deeply believe in conspiracy theories Why do you want to go to great lengths and "educate" people on your point of view?

Facts. We're talking about educating on facts, not fiction or subjection positions.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Exuma » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

oceanplexian wrote: post #183

safog wrote: post #11

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You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. There are many examples you can pick if you want to point out bias in media, day before yesterday was not one. For reference, conservative subreddits remain active, Donald Trump is the one that's banned.

When you use words such as seditious and mob, I want to remind you that words have power and that those words don’t unify but rather tend to divide and amplify hatred on both sides. There were many instances where protests got out of hand this summer and courthouses and police stations were destroyed; entire city blocks were taken over and those responsible enacted and enforced their own laws. The actions weren’t ref…

I don't disagree the problem is the left has so many examples that this hypocrisy is just excruciating to me. You literally have people creating lists to blackball anyone who supports trump, praised and lauded by some political people high up on the food chain. I rarely ever see the left actively support an ACTUAL view of "unity," and believe me, I truly look for it by looking at all opposing views on my social media, on people I disagree with, etc.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by nafizh » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

gscott wrote: post #116

staplers wrote: post #71

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Imagine if ISIS had a twitter account or reddit fanpage. How fast would conservatives pass legislation to take it down? If the terrorists are white, they're treated differently.

ISIS had thousands of Twitter accounts and were selling Rohingya underage girls into sex slavery over Facebook.

That’s Yazidi not rohingya. Two separate groups at two distant places on earth.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by CivBase » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

manfredo wrote: post #136

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

> Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Agreed - though I find it's more of a headache than scary. On end, I don't like the fact that increasingly internet infrastructure is acting as a de facto judge in deciding what speech is and isn't allowed. I empathize with both parties. ISPs don't want to host speech they feel is abhorr…

> I empathize with both parties. ISPs don't want to host speech they feel is abhorrent, and I'd probably do the same thing were I in their position.

I don't emapthize with the ISPs here. Internet access has become a utility which is required to participate in many parts of the economy and society. Utilities should not be allowed to refuse to service someone who is using the service legally.

If someone is hosting illegal content, that's a different story.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by 2020swillbelit » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

So it begins. We'll remember this period with shame and regret. Our compulsion to righteously award the state and massive unelected corporate tech powers to censor and punish our enemies will be looked back on in shame. We are sowing the seeds of chaos. 2001 vibes all over again.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by daniel957 » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #124

daniel957 wrote: post #74

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You didn’t need to look at those sites to predict what was going to happen.

I disagree, as someone who observed this site as well as everything else, I can tell you at least for me my prior was heavily influenced by the shift in tone, sentiment, and desperation I observed there relative to the usual din of more front-facing social media grifters.

Oh, I think that’s just a convoluted way of saying you lived in a bubble.

It was quite clear that this was going to happen. No one on my timeline is shocked at all. In fact, I’ve been complaining about these deplorables since 2013 (even before the phrase was coined).

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

michaelmrose wrote: post #174

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

If you wonder why they are threatened consider parler and the things people post there. Please forgive the language it is verbatim and I think threats of violence are more offensive than bad words. > You had better be ready partriots! It is go time very soon. We must attack all central communications to big cities are democratic cities. Fiber optics telecom bridges supply routes we can starve those motherfuckers to d…

The people screaming "Free Speech" are well aware of the content and viewpoints espoused by sites like Parler and T_D. The fact of the matter is that they are supportive of people being killed and white supremacist autocracy being installed.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by maxlamb » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #32

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

How did it let you slip into extremism?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by wnevets » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

The irony of people complaining about free speech and censorship when this happens is if you post ANYTHING even remotely against the current narrative in those subs you will be immediately banned by mods. You can literally quote trump word for word in /r/conservative and get banned if it happens to go against today's collective reality.

Rules for thee but not for me is the modus operandi and Wednesday was just an extension of that.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by FireBeyond » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:54 PM UTC

Exuma wrote: post #25

eyelidlessness wrote: post #17

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No one is being censored. You’re perfectly welcome to go on 4chan or breitbart or parler or even other subreddits or just build a new platform. No one is entitled to use other people’s resources and effort to have their views amplified without moderation by those people offering that service. Edit: every time I post a comment like this here I get downvoted. I’m not complaining, downvote away. But I have to wonder if…

This argument isn't valid when literally 80 million people support a different idea. At some point when a platform gets large enough it's egregious to shut down so many views especially when any rational human can see the reasons are incredibly biased.

How many of those 74 million (Biden got 81) are on r/DonaldTrump?

So Parler should be mandated to host democrat/left views, too, right? After all, it'd be egregious to shut down the views of so many people.

Wait, no, Parler openly and happily deletes "non right wing posts, users and forums". My bad.