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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by dragonwriter » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

mherkender wrote: post #164

wmichelin wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're either being willfully ignorant, or arguing in bad faith. Calling for your people to all organize outside of the capitol building, claiming that the election was fraudulent without providing evidence, and then telling the active terrorists "we love you" should be sufficient evidence for you.

Don’t forget the calls for Total War and Trial by Combat from his son and lawyer.

Or for the execution of Pence by Lin Wood (targeting Pence specifically is something I've also seen in several quotes from the insurrectionists.)

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by tenebrisalietum » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

This is a different subreddit than /r/theDonald, which was banned earlier.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by oceanplexian » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

safog wrote: post #11

Exuma wrote: post #6

What else is new, censorship is OK as long as only one side is doing it.

You say this after the president of the United States has incited a seditious, violet mob to attack the Capitol because he's a sore loser. There are many examples you can pick if you want to point out bias in media, day before yesterday was not one. For reference, conservative subreddits remain active, Donald Trump is the one that's banned.

When you use words such as seditious and mob, I want to remind you that words have power and that those words don’t unify but rather tend to divide and amplify hatred on both sides.

There were many instances where protests got out of hand this summer and courthouses and police stations were destroyed; entire city blocks were taken over and those responsible enacted and enforced their own laws. The actions weren’t referred to as sedition and most media outlets avoided words like mob, treason, etc.

Of course, don’t take my statement to mean I condone ANY case of violence, rioting, property damage, etc. (And in all cases those responsible and those inciting violence should be held accountable) but being consistent and avoiding charged language when depicting civil unrest would go a long way to heal the country rather than to divide it.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by germinalphrase » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

neogodless wrote: post #114

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/896/censorship > In general, sedition is defined as trying to overthrow the government with intent and means to bring it about; the Supreme Court, however, has been divided over what constitutes intent and means. > These acts made it a federal crime to speak, write, or print criticisms of the government that were false, scandalous, or malicious. It is frightening to me tha…

One difference, of course, is that despite there being a significant number of ‘trusted’ sources claiming extensive election fraud - there has been near zero evidence presented by these same sources to defend the claims. That alone should be a red flag that the claims are mere assertions rather than statements of fact.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by TameAntelope » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

Exuma wrote: post #25

eyelidlessness wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is being censored. You’re perfectly welcome to go on 4chan or breitbart or parler or even other subreddits or just build a new platform. No one is entitled to use other people’s resources and effort to have their views amplified without moderation by those people offering that service. Edit: every time I post a comment like this here I get downvoted. I’m not complaining, downvote away. But I have to wonder if…

This argument isn't valid when literally 80 million people support a different idea. At some point when a platform gets large enough it's egregious to shut down so many views especially when any rational human can see the reasons are incredibly biased.

Are you suggesting the US nationalize Reddit?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by watwut » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:49 PM UTC

umvi wrote: post #98

gfodor wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

> Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet Big tech companies are largely left-leaning internally (which isn't surprising since California is the most left leaning state), so there is nothing to fear as long as you lean left yourself, (i.e. I guarantee you won't be censored for left-leaning speech any time soon).

In practice, those big firms are more tiptoeing around right wing then around left wing.

Also in practice, there is way bigger outcry over right wing reedits being banned then left wing reddits. Each time reddit banns a bunch of subs, there is discussion about right wings ones - including on HN. Nobody cares about left wing subs being banned, that discussion never appears.

For the record, I am fine with both left and right reddits being banned right now. But I have yet to see free speech advocates to fret about toxic leftist and feminist places being closed.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Exuma » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

umvi wrote: post #167

Exuma wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't white people more likely to die by police? (seriously asking, I remember this data point but it's not in front of me).

Not quite. More white people die by far in total , but as a percentage of the demographic more non-white people die. This is largely attributed to systemic racism, but also to poverty.

I see, thanks for explaining.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by panopticon » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

VBprogrammer wrote: post #88

dragonwriter wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Quite literally 1/2 of the USA voted for Trump No, they didn't.

Approximately 23% of the US population voted for him. Typically I don't like this arguement, the rest of the population would probably have voted along much the same proportions as those who did.

> the rest of the population would probably have voted along much the same proportions as those who did

According to Pew, the non-voter block is much less white, less educated, and poorer than the voting population. You can probably make several cases for which way that block breaks, but I would certainly not say they would vote proportionally the same as voters.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by FalconSensei » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

edmundsauto wrote: post #62

justaman wrote: post #16

I'm generally against the idea of banning subreddits because they just move elsewhere. However, if this is going to be the official stance of Reddit admins, I encourage them to take a look at /r/sino and a few other communities that regularly violate the rules.

Kicking them off is advantageous for Reddit because they no longer have to deal with the dramas.

Exactly. When a group move out of Reddit, it's no longer their problem. They can't be blamed for whatever racist/terrorist stuff is posted on donald.win, as it's not on reddit

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by nickysielicki » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 6:50 PM UTC

renewiltord wrote: post #60

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

Yeah, this is a win. You can go to this guy's party at his house. And I don't have to worry about the guys at his party wandering into mine. And vice versa.

What's important is that nobody interacts or challenges one another. Otherwise, our feelings might get hurt.