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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by davesque »

0x1F8B wrote: post #467
Traster wrote: post #376

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You're not sure what the other options are? You've seen it. Which is worse, censorship of people calling for the violent otherthrow of the democratically elected government. OR what we've seen this week - people literally overthrowing the democratically elected government of the US. Oh and by the way- when the MAGA hat wearers have taken over, sure as hell they aren't going to be defending your right to equivocate be…

> people literally overthrowing the democratically elected government of the US. The hysterics in this thread are pretty rich.

Have you watched the videos of the occupation of the Capitol on Wednesday? The rioters who broke in were chanting things like "Fight for Trump!" and "Find Mike Pence!" presumably to kill him. This of course shortly after Trump himself had tweeted that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution" while he surely knew that rioters had broken into the building. How the f*** can you say it's hysterical to call that an attempted violent overthrow of the government?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

lostmsu wrote: post #458
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #224

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Yes, it is one of the methods used by Russian government to silence the opposition. Though the platforms are usually privately owned, they all 'independently' decide that some content can't be allowed on them. Same will happen with the US. Sad.

This is not true. Russian government does not dictate FB and YouTube (which it does not own), and they would have to force ISPs to block these sites if they wanted to ban the content. I doubt ISPs would ban them themselves.

Do not be so fast with 'not true' claims. Russia has at least three social networks, each with audience bigger than russian audience of Facebook and Twitter combined. All three remove anti-putin groups, etc.

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Post by edmundsauto »

Exuma wrote: post #123
edmundsauto wrote: post #111

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You say these things as if they are not facts. BLM was protesting the injustice of systematic oppression that results in black people bejng murdered by police. 93% of the protests were entirely peaceful. In the other 7%, it is not clear if the violence was instigated by citizens or police. On the right, you have people who storm the US fucking Capitol building while they are confirming the next POTUS. They were tryin…

Aren't white people more likely to die by police? (seriously asking, I remember this data point but it's not in front of me).

I think a black person is about 2x as likely to die in an encounter with the police. I'm not sure if that's normalized for the type of encounter.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by watwut »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #386
watwut wrote: post #211

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Because otherwise they will try to overturn elections and install one party state. Or because their opinions leads them to construct bombs or shoot people.

> "Or because their opinions leads them to construct bombs or shoot people." Who exactly is "they"? Anyone who disagrees with you? Anyone who votes for a Republican candidate? Trump supporters? Some subset of Trump supporters who say the election was fraudulent? What about Trump supporters who say the election MAY have been fraudulent -- do they also get silenced? This is a slippery slope. You either have freedom of…

They are people who put bomb in RNC and brought one to capitol a day before yeasterday. They includes nashville bomber and whoever organized Mitchigan terrorist plot.

They are also proud boys starting fights. It is not like US would have shortage of organized political violence lately. It is pretty easy to find "they".

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Post by neaden »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #386
watwut wrote: post #211

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Because otherwise they will try to overturn elections and install one party state. Or because their opinions leads them to construct bombs or shoot people.

> "Or because their opinions leads them to construct bombs or shoot people." Who exactly is "they"? Anyone who disagrees with you? Anyone who votes for a Republican candidate? Trump supporters? Some subset of Trump supporters who say the election was fraudulent? What about Trump supporters who say the election MAY have been fraudulent -- do they also get silenced? This is a slippery slope. You either have freedom of…

The people who literally stormed the capital earlier this week, some of whom brought equipment like zipties with the intention of kidnapping/hostage taking. Those specific people who we all literally just saw doing the thing on basically every TV Channel while some of them literally livestreamed themselves doing it. This is in no way ambiguous at all.

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Post by Tokkemon »

rat87 wrote: post #175
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #36

I just checked out http://thedonald.win/ and it has gotten a lot more extreme since it was moved off Reddit. I think it would have not gotten as extreme if it were in the Reddit ecosystem still.

The question is if Reddit has gotten less extreme since banning them

Anecdotally, yes, it has on the whole.

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Post by umvi »

kstrauser wrote: post #488
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #227

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It is definitely true. There are hundreds if not thousands of right-leaning voices that have been silenced on left-leaning platforms like YT, Insta, Twit, & FB.

I’ve yet to see a single right-leaning voice that was silenced for being right-leaning. Without exception, every one I’ve seen silenced was for calling for violence, using ethnic slurs, or otherwise violating the site’s ToS. It seems possible to me, even likely, that if more right-leaning accounts are being banned then it’s because more of them are breaking the rules. Also, I find the idea of classifying FB as left-l…

> otherwise violating the site’s ToS

Your list was pretty narrow in scope until this one. ToS could contain anything and be used to censor speech for any reason.

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Post by 2020swillbelit »

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #490
2020swillbelit wrote: post #439

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Of course you're not obligated. But it's in all of our best interest to talk with them rather than suppress their voices (however crazy). Many metrics relating to quality of life for many Americans are trending in the wrong direction. We cannot afford to further decouple people from society. This isn't just for the rural working classes but also the inner city poor. People need to feel worth and have a life of meanin…

They are decoupled from society because they see a dimming of the white hegemony that has lit their world for centuries. No amount of listening to their Jim Crow rhetoric will ever change that.

Then to you, they are too far gone and are already enemies. I only see conflict arising through that perspective.

I have too much to lose for that to happen. I hope you realize the implications of your line of thought, not to just yourself, but to society around you.

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Post by slothtrop »

young_unixer wrote: post #440
gbrown wrote: post #156

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> Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet. I worry more about Google et. al. killing the free and open internet by creating centralized walled gardens. I worry more about legislative attacks on encryption, about the overzealous use of copyright law and the sorry state of intellectual property generally. If service providers want t…

> If service providers want to deplatform centers of radicalization, I think that's ok. The thing is: left-wing radicalization is tolerated by the platforms, but right-wing radicalization isn't.

The day the bulk of far-left idealists advocate violence and racism, they won't be tolerated either.
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