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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by johnghanks »

rightbyte wrote: post #198
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #36

I just checked out http://thedonald.win/ and it has gotten a lot more extreme since it was moved off Reddit. I think it would have not gotten as extreme if it were in the Reddit ecosystem still.

It was a big mistake banning it from Reddit. Their own platform is way more radical and informally and in practice allows incitement to violence.

Sure but it means their exposure is limited to only those seeking that content already. You won't have Soccer Moms stumbling from their city or birdwatching subreddit into /r/thedonald.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by MaxLeiter »

rightbyte wrote: post #198
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #36

I just checked out http://thedonald.win/ and it has gotten a lot more extreme since it was moved off Reddit. I think it would have not gotten as extreme if it were in the Reddit ecosystem still.

It was a big mistake banning it from Reddit. Their own platform is way more radical and informally and in practice allows incitement to violence.

They had access to a much larger community on Reddit. This way you have to try to find the site, and you won’t just have it appear on your /r/all or front page

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by onehair »

wnevets wrote: post #249

The irony of people complaining about free speech and censorship when this happens is if you post ANYTHING even remotely against the current narrative in those subs you will be immediately banned by mods. You can literally quote trump word for word in /r/conservative and get banned if it happens to go against today's collective reality. Rules for thee but not for me is the modus operandi and Wednesday was just an ext…

It's one thing for a mod in a forum to ban someone, as it sometimes only represents the opinions of that mod, and maybe be backed by rules (and trends)

It's another thing for social media to do it. although they are all private companies, they remain a very global big force, that do not have reach only in the US, but are global and can do the same and affect many countries and politics across the globe.

Soon, if not already happening, politics will be pushed to one side or the other.

And it won't be for stopping hate speech, it will and it is so that they can make even more money.

On the bright side, I am an optimistic person, and since they dared block the president of the USA, maybe be they might not flinch anymore at blocking pedophiles, hitmen, terrorists, and all sorts of vile users on their platforms.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by jakearmitage »

hobofan wrote: post #210
jakearmitage wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it OK to silence people now?

I think you will find very few people defending free speech in the face of "actually planning crime".

Of course. But the problem lies in what constitutes crime. Few years ago, interracial marriage was crime. Should ISP's be shutting down forums where couples can find the social safety that they long for?

Would you support the silencing if leaders of the Augusta Civil Rights Riot were using forums, or Reddit, or FB, to organize themselves?

There is a reason why freedom of speech, without any limitations, is so valued in the free world. Those in power will always use "crime" and "think of the children" as tools to sway the public into weaponizing the government.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Traster »

bythckr wrote: post #315

This is not an original idea/thought that I have, but feel repeating it is vital: This whole censorship crusade that the Facebook, twitter & now reddit is on is a dangerous precedence we are setting for our society. Whatever they call it, this is censorship. Already due to AI suggesting similar contents on services like Facebook & Youtube and the design of sub-reddits on reddit, we have living inside echo chambers. A…

You're not sure what the other options are? You've seen it.

Which is worse, censorship of people calling for the violent otherthrow of the democratically elected government. OR what we've seen this week - people literally overthrowing the democratically elected government of the US.

Oh and by the way- when the MAGA hat wearers have taken over, sure as hell they aren't going to be defending your right to equivocate between the people violently overthrowing democracy and the people not allowing a violent overhtrow of democracy.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

gbrown wrote: post #156
gfodor wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I've long worried lurking there was going to cause more harm than it's worth (for example, by letting me inadvertently slip into extremism) but the ability to predict what happened this week so easily and warn people about it who considered going was well worth that risk. Also I read there they are losing their SSL cert or something, so that might be how centralized, non-legal authority manages to shut them dow…

> Which, it probably goes without saying, should scare the shit out of anyone who cares about the principles of the free Internet. I worry more about Google et. al. killing the free and open internet by creating centralized walled gardens. I worry more about legislative attacks on encryption, about the overzealous use of copyright law and the sorry state of intellectual property generally. If service providers want t…

>If service providers want to deplatform centers of radicalization, I think that's ok.

The fact that there is widespread support, let alone demand, for subjective, unaccountable censorship is frightening. You don't understand this, "war on domestic terror" will include legislative attacks on encryption? That bad actors always use, create and amplify perceived crisis to expand their power and permanently erode our rights? You can be certain that when the center of radicalization in Washington DC decides to whip up another war that will kill a million people, they won't be "deplatformed" (as opposed to those "radicals" who will oppose that war, who most certainly will).

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by gfodor »

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #225
gfodor wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're oversimplifying this as well as constructing a strawman argument which implies it's a simple issue. It's not. You are on Hacker News, do you think people here are think that the framing you make is objectively the singular one that has any moral standing?

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I see. So if, for example, the phone company were to spy on your private conversations, and determine you are not a person they want to be associated with (say for example, you talk trash about their CEO) - if they were to terminate your phone coverage, we should just accept it in light of their property rights? It's not an analogy to imply ISPs are exactly the same, but property right supremacy when it comes to infrastructure is not a simple question.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by Exuma »

newsbinator wrote: post #322
umvi wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite. More white people die by far in total , but as a percentage of the demographic more non-white people die. This is largely attributed to systemic racism, but also to poverty.

> This is largely attributed to systemic racism Citation needed

Yes I've wanted to say this, that in legal terms systemic racism can't be proven, but I've already kicked the bee hive enough. PS not saying racism isn't real, only that it's not as clear of an issue as everyone acts like it is.
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