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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

We went through exactly this 2 months ago, I motivated her to buy Iphone 13 mini, first Apple products between both of us ever.

We both regret it at this point sourly, its a properly shitty overpriced device with decent (but not extraordinary) photos. Compared to any average android for half that price its - fugly and looks cheaply, too thick, too thick black borders on screen, properly fugly and dysfunctional front notch camera (faceid doesn't work half the time, ie when its dimmer, with masks etc), you will lose pattern unlock for good, there is no fingerprint scanner under the display, battery is average (meaning really not impressive despite thickness like its 2015). Apple supports only basic bluetooth protocol so any properly good headphones will have slightly worse sound. iOS is fast but rather poorly architected (I understand a lot of this is down to what folks are used to, but stuff she showed me that annoys her is outright poor engineering and step down from current Android in usability).

The way its done and architected insults your intellect constantly, "we know better what you want/need than you, and you have no say/options".

You can argue its not for power users, but my wife is exactly that - just a normal user who just wants to use the phone. For long term android user devices like comparable Samsung galaxy is simply much nicer device to use. She likes her 5 year old Samsung much more than new Apple. So much for wow factor.

At this point we both regret getting it, she for paying for it and me for recommending it. The only benefit is decent resale value. Since this is mostly US forum I expect to be grilled for this, but this is proper long term android user's point of view, who gave recently Apple device a chance and regrets it.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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To make sure I understand it correctly, you actually receive imessage spam, not sms spam? Because regular sms spam (green bubbles) could still arrive.

Oh yea it’s normal, but so what? Still sends me a notification

Then your point doesn't apply to iMessage. You receive SMS spam, not iMessage spam.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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What is a budget option, then? The reality is that most people get these phones for free with trade ins to AT&T or Verizon.

The budget option is the phone I can get for 150€ without plan, and then combine it with a separate 5€/month plan from my carrier.

I think you have to seriously consider if there is any market for that. Any $150 Android phone is going to be worthless for modern use.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Most people use their phone for far more than SMS and "phoning" these days. You are an anomaly these days. That's neither good nor bad, it just is.

Most people in Europe only replace their phones when they die, get stolen, or lost. Other than a few lucky ones, we aren't big fans of contracts, replacing phones every two years, we enjoy our pre-paid variants, and only replacing them when it actually is required. Even when we use it for more than just SMS and calls.

Is this based on your personal observations or can you back that up with any meaningful statistic?

I know both people that get the latest iPhone every year, and people still on a Nokia 3310(-equivalent), but the latter are in the vast minority in my circle of friends, also in Europe.

Personally, I've been upgrading every 2-3 years (not on a contract), and the phone was never broken.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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My 16 year old son has an iPhone because Apple has the best parental control integration built-in. Kids can always get around it, which is why I have monitoring the little bastard doesn't know about via my WiFi router, along with automated deactivation of his cellular data connection via a schedule with the carrier (after 10 PM on weekdays). The "green bubble" crap that I get from my iPhone owning buddies due to my P…

if you think your kid won't outsmart you, think again

He WILL outsmart me.

It's inevitable, and my WiFi monitoring is intended not to find out what sites he visits (I don't care that much about that) but set up to notify me if he's found a way to bypass my nightime blocking and is doing what he did before, and playing video games in the dead of night. And it's still not foolproof. He can theoretically hack a neighbor's wifi, although the weak signal isn't ideal for gaming.

I've educated him on the addictive nature of both games and apps, and he's more aware of the signs of addiction now, but that doesn't mean he won't "relapse" back to it.

I can't prove this without a scientific study to generate truly empirical data, but my theory as to why "boys are in crisis" and aren't graduating high school at same rates as girls involves video game addiction. A shockingly large percentage of my son's male friends get bad grades when they really shouldn't be. They live in stable, higher income homes, but have overly permissive/clueless parents. I'm a parent in a carpool, and I've been shocked at how many times a kid gets in my car and tells my son he was up all night playing games behind his parents back. In fact, this just happened 2 days ago. I picked up a kid, and he told my son he was up all night playing the newly released Overwatch 2 game. His grades suck. I can't help but think sleep deprivation is a huge part of this.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Kinda makes me glad we have WhatsApp dominance in Europe. For all it's faults at least we're not trapped in an Apple Ecosystem where all other phones still use SMS! I haven't sent an SMS in maybe 13 years. It's amazing it's still so widely used in the US because of iMessage lockout.

iMessage doesn’t use SMS when communicating with other iPhones.

But it does fallback to SMS when communication with any other OS (I guess now just Android).

Which is kinda the point. WhatsApp doesn't do this, it works on all platforms.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Did not that happen about 2 years after phones were released first? 2 years sounds like a very small amount of time to me.

Batteries begin to degrade the moment you start to use them. All phones do this. Apple does not have some sort of magical technology to stop it from happening. No one does. I wouldn’t expect a device that’s likely being drained and recharged daily to retain full capacity after two years. To suggest that shows a lack of understanding in the basic physics of a battery. No company, Samsung, Google, etc. will “recall” yo…

I never claimed anything like. You demonstrate dirty sophistry there.

The issue is not that battery degrades, it is that their phones could not handle it and shut off when charge still remained. 2 years is a very little time. None of the devices with batteries I had exhibited that behavior. And I have devices that are over 5 years old in regular use.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Is this green bubble a US teens thing? Personally never heard a person in real life complaining about it. Maybe cause people here use WhatsApp, viber, telegram etc

Very much a US thing. Perhaps the idea of green bubbles is specifically a teen thing, but what the green bubbles represent, a worse messaging experience over SMS/MMS, is an entire population thing.

Μένεις στην Ελλάδα; Ποια εφαρμογή χρησιμοποιείται περισσότερο; Viber;

Συγγνώμη για τα κακά ελληνικά μου.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Batteries begin to degrade the moment you start to use them. All phones do this. Apple does not have some sort of magical technology to stop it from happening. No one does. I wouldn’t expect a device that’s likely being drained and recharged daily to retain full capacity after two years. To suggest that shows a lack of understanding in the basic physics of a battery. No company, Samsung, Google, etc. will “recall” yo…

I never claimed anything like. You demonstrate dirty sophistry there. The issue is not that battery degrades, it is that their phones could not handle it and shut off when charge still remained. 2 years is a very little time. None of the devices with batteries I had exhibited that behavior. And I have devices that are over 5 years old in regular use.

> Or they could have recalled faulty devices, you know. To fix them and provide the experience they promised originally.

It’s not faulty devices, and a quick google search will show you that cell phone batteries have a lifespan of 2-3 years in average.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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My next smartphone is gonna be an iPhone as well. Android is becoming ever more locked down, hardware attestation is already a thing and there's really no reason for apps to not require it. What's the point of putting up with Android's imperfections and Google's bullshit if my rooted and customized phone can't run the apps I need because I "tampered" with it? Might as well get an iPhone.

Because Android lets you run apps that iOS won't, including apps that you write yourself. Attestation is a security issue. If there's some useful feature you can't get on Android, that is a permission issue. It is silly to throw permissions out the window and allow apps to do absolutely anything. Instead, make an appropriate permission.

It's not permissions, those are fine. It's apps being able to tell the difference between a corporation's operating system and my own customized system. They should not be able to tell the difference.

Unfortunately, hardware remote attestation makes it possible for them to know. Now apps will insist that you run the unmodified corporation's software. Bank apps will require attestation because of "fraud". WhatsApp will require attestation because of "terms of service". Streaming apps will require attestation because of "piracy". Games will require attestation because of "cheating". Every app in the Play Store will find a bullshit reason to require it and the result is we can't use their software if we own the machine. We're all hostile users and the only way they'll allow us to use their services is if we cede control to the corporations who lock everything down and spy on us.

It's a heavy blow to mobile computing freedom. It wasn't that great to begin with but this makes it even worse.

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