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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Retric »

hatsix wrote: post #433
Retric wrote: post #393

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Apple can’t provide the same assurance that an android app is secured. The degree that matters is of course debatable, but it is one of their talking points.

Apple can't provide assurance that browsers are secured, but they allow for iMessage in browsers.

Last I checked you can’t send an iMessage from a windows browser only read messages you had personally uploaded to iCloud.

Presumably they run security tests on 3rd party Mac browsers, it’s a major security concern.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by matheusmoreira »

eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

My next smartphone is gonna be an iPhone as well. Android is becoming ever more locked down, hardware attestation is already a thing and there's really no reason for apps to not require it. What's the point of putting up with Android's imperfections and Google's bullshit if my rooted and customized phone can't run the apps I need because I "tampered" with it? Might as well get an iPhone.

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Post by colinmhayes »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #58
tiborsaas wrote: post #25

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What's a "green bubble"?

Yeah, I had to google it too: "If you see a green message bubble instead of a blue one, then that message was sent using MMS/SMS instead of iMessage. There are several reasons for this: The person that you sent the message to doesn't have an Apple device. iMessage is turned off on your device or on your recipient's device." So apparently iPhone users see text messages from us Android users in a green bubble instead o…

SMS/MMS is icky. Absolutely shit protocol.

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Post by dozgon »

hotpotamus wrote: post #211
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #153

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I see this a lot around here. HN user hates company with a passion but buys their products rather than deal with some minor annoyance. I guess you don't hate Apple with a passion then.

I mean, if you hate Apple and Google, you don't have a whole lot of other options. I'm vaguely aware of some competitors, but they're quite obscure. And I don't think going without a smartphone is all that feasible either these days.

Yep, for me, it is banking.

N26 (Europe) requires you to have a smartphone and a SIM card. Obtaining a SIM card means that you need to identify yourself.

You can't just have a smartphone. The OS needs to be unrooted and also mainstream (iOS/Android).

This really sucks.

Furthermore, Google and Discord lock your accounts, if you don't provide a phone number.

The alternative might be to use an Android/iOS just for banking. Another Android/iOS for services such as Google (Play store).

And a Librem or any other open source phone as your daily driver. Or, just live with a "dumb phone" or no additional phone. I am not sure about the SIM card. Is it even possible within the EU to buy one without identification?

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Post by colinmhayes »

salt-thrower wrote: post #278
rajbot wrote: post #222

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All incoming texts, whether sms or iMessage, show up in a gray bubble. Only your own outgoing texts are in a colored bubble

That's patently incorrect. Incoming texts from my Android-user contacts are green bubbles. Incoming texts from my iPhone-user contacts are blue. Source: I'm looking at my iPhone right now.

I think you should look again. Source: looking at my iPhone right now.

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Post by nix0n »

dozgon wrote: post #437
to-too-two wrote: post #235

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You can hate the King with a passion but still pay your taxes. Sometimes people feel like they barely have a choice and can hate them in-part for that too. I hate Verizon and Comcast with a passion but if it’s between them or no internet access, well I hardly call that a choice.

I would like to use a Google-free phone. However, online banking apps (e.g., N26) require you to have a mainstream phone (Android/iOS). You can't have root access, since apparently those banking apps won't work then. You need to have a SIM card as well, and you need to identify yourself when purchasing one. I really hate all that. At this point, I dream to live without smart technology as much as possible. Living mos…

Samsung is just as bad as you say, but there's about a dozen other manufacturers of Android phones.

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Post by bell-cot »

est31 wrote: post #296
gleenn wrote: post #223

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Citation needed. Is this really true? I keep hearing about RCS etc but I also keep hearing it's not actually a good standard. Not even sure it does encryption frankly.

There is nobody preventing Apple from developing an Android app for iMessage. They already have a bunch of apps on the play store, including one for Apple TV, Beats, and a migration app for iOS. https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Apple

Nobody really preventing GM from developing OnStar systems for Ford, Toyota, VW, etc. cars, either.

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

eternityforest wrote: post #199
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #81

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I just got a backup iPhone SE for $430. It's fantastic. Same chip as recent iPhones. Very decent camera. Better battery life than my 13 pro. Actually fits in pocket. More fun to play games with one-handed. Easily will last 5 years with a case. Not a luxury device, but pretty competitive with what a lot of young people in even middle-income countries would pay for phones.

$430 is getting close to luxury phone. And the features on remotely affordable iPhones are often below or maybe on par with what you used to be able to get from LG for $220 before they sadly stopped. The chip only matters for gaming really, cheap Android phones have been fast enough for years, and if the price difference is similar to a Switch or something then I'd rather have a dedicated gaming machine if I was real…

Is it anywhere near a luxury if 88% of teens can afford it? The iphone starts at $430 and tops out much higher than that, so the ASP is considerably higher.

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Post by HKH2 »

Huh1337 wrote: post #318
heavyset_go wrote: post #301

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You can get a new Android phone for $20. The charging cables alone for an iPhone, which don't come with the phone, cost $19 each by themselves.

The original cables do. You can buy much cheaper cables on Amazon and elsewhere.

Some cheaper Lightning cables don't work properly. Some don't work at all.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #153
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

I see this a lot around here. HN user hates company with a passion but buys their products rather than deal with some minor annoyance. I guess you don't hate Apple with a passion then.

Minor annoyance? Android is becoming just as much of a locked down walled garden as iOS. Hardware remote attestation is already here and it threatens to deny access to apps to all rooted phones.

If I must be in one of these little walled gardens, I'm choosing the better kept one. It sure as hell isn't Google's.

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