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The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by ppf »

bananabreakfast wrote: post #643
markdown wrote: post #615

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I'm gonna be that guy... given that people are starving, isn't immoral to ask that money be donated to keep shelter dogs alive? Surely they should just be put to sleep, no?

You have extremely misguided logic. By extension of your statement: Given that there are always people starving somewhere on Earth at all other points in time too, isn't it immoral to feed pets at all? They should be put down and that food should go to people! Dog food in general is immoral, because it could instead be given to someone starving somewhere.

That's not as ridiculous as you think.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by ppf »

3solarmasses wrote: post #622
markdown wrote: post #615

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I'm gonna be that guy... given that people are starving, isn't immoral to ask that money be donated to keep shelter dogs alive? Surely they should just be put to sleep, no?

It's only immoral to question the validity of a good cause on the pretense that there's something worse happening out there somewhere...

It's a question of scale, and balance. Yes, I think it is ridiculous to ask for donations to keep unwanted dogs alive when there are people on the same island who are suffering.

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Post by jessedhillon »

lowpro wrote: post #330
hombre_fatal wrote: post #4

I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…

My friend who works at the airport in the Galapagos (GPS) was telling me that no one has gotten paid since the tourism stopped. Luckily she can work on farm, but many can't. The local animal shelter there is now out of food, and the dogs will starve if they don't somehow raise money in the next 3 days or so (@patitasgalapaguenas on instagram, you can donate here [0]). The US is struggling in many ways, but I can't he…

Donated. Is there a way to make that link followable from IG?

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Post by rbinv »

lowpro wrote: post #330
hombre_fatal wrote: post #4

I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…

My friend who works at the airport in the Galapagos (GPS) was telling me that no one has gotten paid since the tourism stopped. Luckily she can work on farm, but many can't. The local animal shelter there is now out of food, and the dogs will starve if they don't somehow raise money in the next 3 days or so (@patitasgalapaguenas on instagram, you can donate here [0]). The US is struggling in many ways, but I can't he…

Donated, thanks. Maybe they should set up a GoFundMe page? Would seem more legitimate than a "random" PayPal link.

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Post by dragonwriter »

catherd wrote: post #507
ridgeguy wrote: post #476

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IIUC, it's still unknown if having COVID-19 confers either short- or long-term immunity.

People keep saying that, but I haven't heard of any clear examples of actual sick people who got it again, just positive tests that seem to be within the error bands for the tests. Not a doctor, this is not a rhetorical question: Shouldn't we have those 2nd-time sick people by now? Shouldn't the null hypothesis be that immunity works like most other colds? Masks weren't "proven to be effective" until well after any r…

> Shouldn't we have those 2nd-time sick people by now?

Maybe if there was no infection induced resistance, but with even moderate resistance lasting a few weeks, probably not outside of Wuhan, and it's not like we can be confident we'd get accurate information on that.

> Shouldn't the null hypothesis be that immunity works like most other colds?

Colds are mostly rhinoviruses, this is a coronavirus, so, no, you wouldn't by default generalize from colds. Coronaviruses don't particularly consistently produce long-term reliable immunity, instead what immunity they do produce typically wanes quickly. So the best assumption would be that whatever resistance getting infected confers is likely quite limited in duration.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by pjc50 »

sneak wrote: post #544
ikiris wrote: post #522

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They have a great opportunity to make things better come Nov now that they've been affected by the failling.

Many of those people will have already been evicted by February.

If the US evicts its 6 million unemployed, then treats them as it does its pre-existing homeless, there will be riots.

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Post by tomjakubowski »

gnopgnip wrote: post #589
jliptzin wrote: post #498

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Yea I am wondering the same thing. I am REALLY lucky to have saved a lot and be in a good living situation where I can quarantine comfortably. But what the hell are people doing who were paycheck to paycheck? I would not blame them if they had to start stealing from supermarkets

CA unemployment is near $1000 a week with the federal stimulus.

The amount of unemployment benefit scales with income, and $450/wk (plus $600 from the stimulus) is the maximum, to be clear. A full time worker paid $15/hour would receive $300+1000 per week.

UI benefits table https://www.edd.ca.gov/pdf_pub_ctr/de1101bt5.pdf

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by sdoering »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #4

I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…

I am in Germany and am lucky working remote for my local company.

I talked to my neighbor on Sunday. She is a cleaner working for a subcontractor cleaning schools. She wasn't able to work for 9 weeks (first there were holidays, then Corona stay at home rules). She isn't being paid and her boss does not go through the official process of getting government subsidiaries for her. She is just being left hanging.

Yeah her boss is an ale. It would cost a little bit of time and get all his employees 60% of their net income. He just isn't doing it.

Her sons earn okayish - so they help her out. And we do neighborly community help. Non the less. People left and right are being left behind. Even with government interventions in place.

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Post by markdown »

kmonsen wrote: post #654
markdown wrote: post #647

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You're being deliberately obtuse. There are millions of people out of jobs, and soon there'll be millions of people starving. Put moral relativism aside for a minute and think about the real pain that people are feeling right now. These poor dogs aren't going to find homes that can feed them for a long time. At some point you need to stop being selfish and putting your own feelings aside to think about the people aro…

You could make the exact same statement 6 months ago.

Six months ago the shelter didn't need money because people had money and donated it willingly. Now the people around there are starving and can't waste money keeping random strays alive when their own children are starving.

And the people running this shelter, knowing that donor funds are limited, are asking for it to be spent on keeping unwanted dogs alive when there are people starving. It's more humane to put the dogs to sleep. They will feel no pain.

But nobody is going to even begin to consider putting the children to sleep are they? Those kids are going to suffer badly, and you're here arguing that the dogs are more important?

These are unprecedented times, and you can't just waste money.

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Post by masonic »

PopeDotNinja wrote: post #644
chris11 wrote: post #626

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Is medicaid a good option? I think you should qualify in California. Also, I don't know your situation, but has your health needs changed recently? I know Kaiser is trying to limit unnecessary office visits.

In California, Obamacare IS Medical (aka Medicaid). I signed up once. I couldn't get my Vyvanse for my ADHD because it's a controlled substance, and the Medical doctor wouldn't touch a prescription for it. Pro-tip:. If you pay out of pocket for your regular doctor (maybe tell then your situation and work out a deal), you can get Medical to pay for the prescription (verify before trying).

  Obamacare IS Medical (aka Medicaid)
No, Obamacare is Covered CA.

Medicaid is called MediCal, except persons in the US illegally can get it, too.

  If you pay out of pocket for your regular doctor... you can get Medical to pay for the prescription
That's a felony.
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