Please don't use or support Flutter. Its entire existence is to replace the web and force more ads to people. Do your research.
Do you have any citations to support this claim? Flutter is open source.
So is AMP
Pangolin desktop environment for Fuchsia and Linux written in Flutter
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Re: Pangolin desktop environment for Fuchsia and Linux written in Flutter
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
How it being an open source would help ad blocking on the client side? It certainly won't be as easy as current blocking methods for html/css/js.
You know it’s ok to say “I’ve made an emotional baseless assertion backed up with no evidence”. I hate google as much as next person on HN, but at least have some evidence.
Not OP, and can't comment on Google's hidden intentions, but it does have a point - any such open source Flash replacements would make ad blocking harder.
Re: Pangolin desktop environment for Fuchsia and Linux written in Flutter
#73Looks very nice, but what is like more is a DE that is concrete stable. I've been told by people across the internet that I need to try DE #36 and that it's actually good, or that Gnome is awesome now.
They're always at least broken enough to impede a bit. I use Gnome now, but after my machine has been on for a few days, all text associated with the Gnome shell disappears and only comes back on restart.
MacOS works pretty well in my experience, but I don't want to be part of that ecosystem. Windows GUI is fine for the most part in my experience, but I want to use a Unix (WSL is good, but not a replacement for me).
For now, I'll hold out and keep rooting for the Linux desktop, but it's got a ways to go. Can't blame them though, Apple and Microsoft have tons of money being concentrated into a single GUI environment. Linux has a million different small projects paid for with some dedicated contributor's time.
Re: Pangolin desktop environment for Fuchsia and Linux written in Flutter
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Do your research" coupled with unsourced assertions is always an interesting argument :) As the product lead for Flutter, I can assure you that this isn't an accurate statement. The product is several years old now, and we only added ads support in the last three months, in response to customer requests ( https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/12114 ). Flutter is open source, welcomes non-Google contributors, and…
Off topic: any plans for Delphi-like GUI RAD IDE? When I see some non-trivial Flutter UI code - it ought to have been generated by machine.
There's a good UI design environment emerging from FlutterFlow: https://flutterflow.io
There's also a great Flash-like vector-based animation designer called Rive, which is itself written in Flutter (and generates code for Flutter): https://rive.app
Re: Pangolin desktop environment for Fuchsia and Linux written in Flutter
#75I am extremely excited about Dahlia and the work your team is doing. HN has a significant cohort of people who are extremely opinionated about how OS UI/UX should work. Don't take that to mean there aren't people who are interested in what you are developing; keep us abreast of your progress and I will make sure to repeatedly check up on your subsequent developments.
Re: Pangolin desktop environment for Fuchsia and Linux written in Flutter
#76Looks very nice, but what is like more is a DE that is concrete stable. I've been told by people across the internet that I need to try DE #36 and that it's actually good, or that Gnome is awesome now. They're always at least broken enough to impede a bit. I use Gnome now, but after my machine has been on for a few days, all text associated with the Gnome shell disappears and only comes back on restart. MacOS works p…
I am surprised with your Gnome issues. I am running Ubuntu 20.04 with the stock Gnome and restart only for the kernel updates. It is my daily work system and I just put it to sleep at the end of the day.
My issues on Linux are normally always coming from non open source software (VMware, Zoom, ...).
What I found helpful is to do a full reinstall of the OS instead of an upgrade and carefully bring back the "dot" folders with my configurations.
Re: Pangolin desktop environment for Fuchsia and Linux written in Flutter
#77Re: Pangolin desktop environment for Fuchsia and Linux written in Flutter
#78Demo: https://web.dahliaos.io/#home The UI is still quite slow. Hard to get excited about Flutter.
> The UI is still quite slow. Can you share your computer specs and what browser you're using? It's buttery smooth on both my Windows desktop and Mac laptop, though both are relatively new. On my 5+ year old 1.1GHz MacBook it's still entirely usable. Dragging windows around isn't entirely fluid, but it's not that bad for such an underpowered machine.
I'm on a a (14" 2021) macbook pro with the apple M1 Pro cpu and 32gb ram.
I've tried both firefox and chrome.
This would NOT be a viable desktop environment.
The performance is WAY worse than anything I've used for the last 15 years. And this includes shitty 10-yearold no-name laptops using gnome/compiz.
Re: Pangolin desktop environment for Fuchsia and Linux written in Flutter
#79Man, the HN crowd is tough. Folks here don't seem to like anything other than Win95 UI. I personally found the UI to be very slick and pretty. It seems very similar to Win11 and looks rather pretty. Would love to give it a try.
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Re: Pangolin desktop environment for Fuchsia and Linux written in Flutter
#80Man, the HN crowd is tough. Folks here don't seem to like anything other than Win95 UI. I personally found the UI to be very slick and pretty. It seems very similar to Win11 and looks rather pretty. Would love to give it a try.
The Win95 UI was the result of pretty thorough formal-ish user studies. How many design iterations after that went through the same process ? Fairly close to 0 I believe.