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Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by manuelabeledo »

axg11 wrote: post #44
manuelabeledo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Title is nothing subjective. In fact, titles and levels can be matched between two companies easily. Anyway, this is not what Apple is doing. They are downgrading everyone by default, which is akin to providing false information about a former employee.

> Title is nothing subjective. In fact, titles and levels can be matched between two companies easily. There is zero truth to this statement. Perhaps job families can be matched (engineering vs sales, manager vs IC). Other than that, it’s impossible to equate. I’ve seen a VP of Engineering at a startup start as a junior engineer at a FAANG.

> I’ve seen a VP of Engineering at a startup start as a junior engineer at a FAANG.

This is a fringe case.

In turn, there are widely available spreadsheets where you can find the equivalent levels across dozens of companies, most popular of which are FAANG.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by awill »

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #63
hammock wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is essentially what wiping title record with "associate" does. It's a generic term that is commonly synonymous with employee.

No it's clearly not. It's very clearly implying they had a job with the title "associate".

Exactly. No information is better than inaccurate information.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by spaceywilly »

furyg3 wrote: post #9
dncornholio wrote: post #4

There's databases out there with everyone's career record where you have no control over but the employers do? I rest my case..

Wait, can a future employer request my past salary information from InVerify (or another service) without my approval or permission?

Yeah how is this not the big story here? I had no idea there was a public database employers could use to look up everything about me. Can I check this database to make sure my records are correct and who do I talk to if they’re not? This is pretty wild

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by rvba »

sprayk wrote: post #69

(Just to throat clear ahead of time... I obviously find what Apple is doing super shitty. I just want to find some reason besides "Apple bad" for why they would do this.) Could they be doing this title change, at least in theory, as an information security measure? Competitors and journalists could potentially corroborate (or have an easier time corroborating) leaks if they can verify that a former employee is the po…

They dont want others to pouch their employees - so they screw those who leave by deleting their title?

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by manuelabeledo »

hammock wrote: post #37
manuelabeledo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Title is nothing subjective. In fact, titles and levels can be matched between two companies easily. Anyway, this is not what Apple is doing. They are downgrading everyone by default, which is akin to providing false information about a former employee.

"Associate" is not a downgrade. It's a generic title that means "employee" and literally everyone (except maybe named officers in the legal filings) is an associate.

Right, so are you telling me that an associate and an “associate VP” are the same thing?

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by mh- »

jsjohnst wrote: post #61
PedroBatista wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is Apple's DNA and much more in recent years. The "monetize everything to the max" policy of encouraging developers to test their new pre-release M1 chip + OS and software for $500 and then after they return their DTK they offered a $200 store credit. The pettiness of continuing to charge 30% fees in one way or the other when they have been ordered by the courts to open their restrictions. The constant sabotage…

> The "monetize everything to the max" policy of encouraging developers to test their new pre-release M1 chip + OS and software for $500 and then after they return their DTK they offered a $200 store credit. Ignoring the fact you completely missed the point of the DTK, this is factually wrong. The store credit was $500.

It was $200 initially, then increased to $500.

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/02/05/apple-dtk-credit-for-de...

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by [deleted] »

jsjohnst wrote: post #61
PedroBatista wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is Apple's DNA and much more in recent years. The "monetize everything to the max" policy of encouraging developers to test their new pre-release M1 chip + OS and software for $500 and then after they return their DTK they offered a $200 store credit. The pettiness of continuing to charge 30% fees in one way or the other when they have been ordered by the courts to open their restrictions. The constant sabotage…

> The "monetize everything to the max" policy of encouraging developers to test their new pre-release M1 chip + OS and software for $500 and then after they return their DTK they offered a $200 store credit. Ignoring the fact you completely missed the point of the DTK, this is factually wrong. The store credit was $500.

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Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by PedroBatista »

jsjohnst wrote: post #61
PedroBatista wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is Apple's DNA and much more in recent years. The "monetize everything to the max" policy of encouraging developers to test their new pre-release M1 chip + OS and software for $500 and then after they return their DTK they offered a $200 store credit. The pettiness of continuing to charge 30% fees in one way or the other when they have been ordered by the courts to open their restrictions. The constant sabotage…

> The "monetize everything to the max" policy of encouraging developers to test their new pre-release M1 chip + OS and software for $500 and then after they return their DTK they offered a $200 store credit. Ignoring the fact you completely missed the point of the DTK, this is factually wrong. The store credit was $500.

No, I'm quite right.

It was "upgraded" to $500 after much uproar.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by adrusi »

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #63
hammock wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is essentially what wiping title record with "associate" does. It's a generic term that is commonly synonymous with employee.

No it's clearly not. It's very clearly implying they had a job with the title "associate".

No it doesn't. It clearly could mean that, but it literally just means the person has associated with the company. I don't know why they'd use language that could create that confusion, but it's not straightforward dishonesty.

Re: Every employee who leaves Apple becomes an ‘associate’

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Post by rootusrootus »

Annoying as it may be, a big chunk of responsibility here lies with the data aggregators and the hiring companies. How many times do you have to find out that all ex-Apple employees get the title 'Associate' before you just exclude that from your database? How many times do you disqualify a good candidate because you can't resolve their title at Apple before you realize it isn't a good filter?
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