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A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Saturated fat has been vindicated by a majority of modern studies while polyunsaturated has been crucified. Selling us industrial vegetable oils as food was clever. That doesn't mean we should eat a aide of bacon a day, but avoiding whole unprocessed foods containing saturated fats for any reason other than calorie count is flawed. And dietary cholesterol does not correlate with ldl, nor does ldl strongly correlate w…

Numerous direct intervention studies have shown the clear causal link between dietary saturated fat and blood cholesterol levels. You can obscure this fact by playing games with population meta studies because individual baseline levels vary a lot and are genetically determined. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-s... Anecdotally, I and several people I know have dramatically dropped our blood…

There is no link between high cholesterol and heart disease, I.e. correlation is not causation.

If we are speaking of anecdotes, I eat a lot of fat, I’m on a keto diet and my cholesterol dropped to normal after I began keto.

And this is actually consistent with the claims of high fat proponents... that it’s insulin that triggers the metabolic syndrome, causing problems with LDL too, and insulin levels and resistance go up because of the sugars and the refined carbs in our diet.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Elevated LDL is very highly correlated with heart disease. Studies that show that people born with genetically very low cholesterol levels are practically immune to heart disease reinforce this. The mechanism for this is well understood.

There are many studies confirming no link between high LDL and heart disease. It’s a myth.

Meat industry smoke and mirrors siezed upon by people that want to feel good about eating thier bacon, unfortunately:

https://youtu.be/MsFWeC-DeLo

If what you say is true then why are people born with exceptionally low cholesterol levels basically immune to heart disease?

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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There is however plenty of "Anti-meat/Meat Causes Cancer" dodgy nutrition studies pushed by the World Health Organization (WHO) and Vegetarian/Vegan agenda by The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics indeed, an order of magnitude difference.

Can you post some of your sources please?

Carcinogenicity of Consumption of Red and Processed Meat report by WHO

Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: Vegetarian Diets.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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There are many studies confirming no link between high LDL and heart disease. It’s a myth.

Meat industry smoke and mirrors siezed upon by people that want to feel good about eating thier bacon, unfortunately: https://youtu.be/MsFWeC-DeLo If what you say is true then why are people born with exceptionally low cholesterol levels basically immune to heart disease?

I don’t know from where you get your ideas, but as a matter of fact low LDL is associated with heart disease!

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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We are all told that red wine if consumed in limited amounts every day is very beneficial for health in the long term. Of late, I heard that this scientific marketing was also sponsored by the alcohol industry and high chances that this notion is fake and preposterous.

A very small amount of red wine is beneficial to women over 60. No-one else gets the benefits. We've known this for a few years now.

Nah, I feel great after two bottles of wine and I'm not 60 or a woman.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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We are all told that red wine if consumed in limited amounts every day is very beneficial for health in the long term. Of late, I heard that this scientific marketing was also sponsored by the alcohol industry and high chances that this notion is fake and preposterous.

A very small amount of red wine is beneficial to women over 60. No-one else gets the benefits. We've known this for a few years now.

Wrong. The woman's husband always benefits.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Says who? I bet if we do a proper study we will find out the truth: that every kind of food eventually leads to death. Of course, that's what the Fasting industry wants you to think...

Fasting doesn't make anyone money and is against desires of most people. So unlikely there's going to be any significant industry push even though it's one of the few non surgical options proven to reverse type two diabetes.

Poe's Law?

Unrelated:

I can't even tell what is real anymore. Lots of stupid people out there so using sarcasm marks is more important than ever now.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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I've heard that grapes are among the worst kinds of fruit you can eat when it comes to pesticides. http://time.com/5234787/dirty-dozen-pesticides/

On one hand that's bad. On the other hand, not eating them might actually increase your risk of cancer. Perceived risk from harm due to pesticides on food is overestimated by many people, and the risk of not eating more fruit and vegetables is underestimated. "If just half the U.S. population were to increase fruit and vegetable consumption by a single serving a day, an estimated 20,000 cancer cases might be avoided…

Well, if you’re already getting your vitamins elsewhere, eating a grape might not be terribly different from eating sugar. It is very odd fruits and veggies are mixed together like this when they have such a different nutritional profile.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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There's an order of magnitude difference between the marketing and lobbying budgets of the animal agriculture industry and the others you mentioned. There is no "big broccoli" funding dodgy nutrition studies.

Find the facts that Big Lentil doesn't want you to know!

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Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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You lump them all together as if they are the same (tobacco, meat, dairy, eggs) yet you conveniently left out the Grain farming industry and Vegetarian/Vegan food industry, these industries buy scientific studies and food & nutrition organizations too.

There's an order of magnitude difference between the marketing and lobbying budgets of the animal agriculture industry and the others you mentioned. There is no "big broccoli" funding dodgy nutrition studies.

Well, there is Monsanto working for selling roundup and GMO monocultures with questionable cherry picking of evidence.
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