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A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by bad_user »

raverbashing wrote: post #11
vfc1 wrote: post #4

Of course there are, this is pervasive. This has been done for decades by the tobacco industry, by the meat, dairy and eggs industry and others that try to buy scientific studies that favor their product.

And also by the sugar (possibly the HFCS) industry to shift blame to fats

The whole nutrition field is an absolute disgrace, giving a bad name to the medicine and science.

We basically resort to having beliefs instead of depending on science, with the parent confirming husband own biases in only a couple of words.

When something like 80% of studies on nutrition are either compromised or never confirmed by independent sources, it’s no wonder that people turn to the alternative medicine promoted by Fake News media outlets, no wonder that anti-vaxers are a thing in the 21st century.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by godelmachine »

We are all told that red wine if consumed in limited amounts every day is very beneficial for health in the long term. Of late, I heard that this scientific marketing was also sponsored by the alcohol industry and high chances that this notion is fake and preposterous.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by DanBC »

godelmachine wrote: post #22

We are all told that red wine if consumed in limited amounts every day is very beneficial for health in the long term. Of late, I heard that this scientific marketing was also sponsored by the alcohol industry and high chances that this notion is fake and preposterous.

A very small amount of red wine is beneficial to women over 60. No-one else gets the benefits. We've known this for a few years now.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by cageface »

jamklda wrote: post #20
vfc1 wrote: post #4

Of course there are, this is pervasive. This has been done for decades by the tobacco industry, by the meat, dairy and eggs industry and others that try to buy scientific studies that favor their product.

You lump them all together as if they are the same (tobacco, meat, dairy, eggs) yet you conveniently left out the Grain farming industry and Vegetarian/Vegan food industry, these industries buy scientific studies and food & nutrition organizations too.

There's an order of magnitude difference between the marketing and lobbying budgets of the animal agriculture industry and the others you mentioned. There is no "big broccoli" funding dodgy nutrition studies.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by thermodynthrway »

walrus01 wrote: post #19
thermodynthrway wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Auto, oil, and tech industries too. Tech industry currently has the most pervasive and convincing propaganda. Probably 30% of what makes it to HN front page is industry shills. I'll never forget when I dumped on one of the big 5 in a thread here and got a thinly veiled legal threat from it. That's why I use throwaways now (although I keep them around for a long while to avoid ire of the mods)

Please share what you posted and a copy of the threat.

It was a critique a couple years ago about how big G lost its way, possibly betraying the original wishes of the founders. Contained what may have seemed like insider information, but was largely a summary of Glassdoor reviews and scattered Reddit comments.

Reply was something like "Hi this is so and so from legal, if we hurt you personally you should contact us so we can work through this (yeah right), we take our reputation very seriously". Never checked if it was legit, and stopped using my account soon after.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by cageface »

bad_user wrote: post #21
raverbashing wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And also by the sugar (possibly the HFCS) industry to shift blame to fats

The whole nutrition field is an absolute disgrace, giving a bad name to the medicine and science. We basically resort to having beliefs instead of depending on science, with the parent confirming husband own biases in only a couple of words. When something like 80% of studies on nutrition are either compromised or never confirmed by independent sources, it’s no wonder that people turn to the alternative medicine prom…

Not really. Most studies support the consensus findings of nutrition studies for the last several decades. Unfortunately the meat and dairy industries have managed to muddy the waters enough to get most people to just throw up their hands and eat what they want.

Processed foods are bad for you. Refined carbs and sugars are bad for you. Saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for you. A diet centered around whole fruits, vegetables, legumes and grains will do more to extend your healthy lifespan than any other.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by thermodynthrway »

true_religion wrote: post #17
Dolores12 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What company was it?

It never happened. These comments pop up every so often, indicating conspiracy but naming no names, or giving no details.

Isn't that exactly what you would expect if the threats were real? I'm not a believer in conspiracies but some of the large tech companies are well known for trying to silence critics. Although the same could probably be said about any company with so much money and power.

Silicon valley tries to maintain a squeaky clean image, but as we're finding out from Facebook, some of them are no better than say Comcast.

From what I've seen, tech companies generally outsource all the shady bits so they have someone to point fingers at. I've been at companies they've outsourced this work to...

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by omegaham »

cageface wrote: post #24
jamklda wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You lump them all together as if they are the same (tobacco, meat, dairy, eggs) yet you conveniently left out the Grain farming industry and Vegetarian/Vegan food industry, these industries buy scientific studies and food & nutrition organizations too.

There's an order of magnitude difference between the marketing and lobbying budgets of the animal agriculture industry and the others you mentioned. There is no "big broccoli" funding dodgy nutrition studies.

Find the facts that Big Lentil doesn't want you to know!

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by megaman22 »

cageface wrote: post #26
bad_user wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole nutrition field is an absolute disgrace, giving a bad name to the medicine and science. We basically resort to having beliefs instead of depending on science, with the parent confirming husband own biases in only a couple of words. When something like 80% of studies on nutrition are either compromised or never confirmed by independent sources, it’s no wonder that people turn to the alternative medicine prom…

Not really. Most studies support the consensus findings of nutrition studies for the last several decades. Unfortunately the meat and dairy industries have managed to muddy the waters enough to get most people to just throw up their hands and eat what they want. Processed foods are bad for you. Refined carbs and sugars are bad for you. Saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for you. A diet centered around whole fruits…

This is no less ideological than what you purport to oppose, which is the problem in a nutshell. In the absence of religion, most of us have become religious about little, largely inconsequential lifestyle choices, with food being the most common hill to die upon, and producing some of the most strident adherents. Beware anyone telling you what you should or should not eat, because they're invariably a charlatan pushing some agenda. Ideally, you'd make some experiments and see what your body tolerated the best, but it's far easier to just cargo cult onto the trendy or virtue-signalling diet trend.

As long as you're not trying to live on pixie sticks and cheetos, you're going to be okay.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by cageface »

megaman22 wrote: post #29
cageface wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Most studies support the consensus findings of nutrition studies for the last several decades. Unfortunately the meat and dairy industries have managed to muddy the waters enough to get most people to just throw up their hands and eat what they want. Processed foods are bad for you. Refined carbs and sugars are bad for you. Saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for you. A diet centered around whole fruits…

This is no less ideological than what you purport to oppose, which is the problem in a nutshell. In the absence of religion, most of us have become religious about little, largely inconsequential lifestyle choices, with food being the most common hill to die upon, and producing some of the most strident adherents. Beware anyone telling you what you should or should not eat, because they're invariably a charlatan push…

There are a mountain of studies supporting this kind of diet. And it's the diet the healthiest populations in the world eat. The only diet religion is people trying to somehow claim that stuffing yourself with butter and bacon is healthy.
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