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A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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There's an order of magnitude difference between the marketing and lobbying budgets of the animal agriculture industry and the others you mentioned. There is no "big broccoli" funding dodgy nutrition studies.

Find the facts that Big Lentil doesn't want you to know!

You jest, but in Canada at least, that's a thing. http://www.lentils.org/

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Find the facts that Big Lentil doesn't want you to know!

You jest, but in Canada at least, that's a thing. http://www.lentils.org/

I didn't realize until I saw this DW documentary that Canada supplies a lot of the world's lentils:

https://www.dw.com/en/lentils-food-for-the-future/av-4370243...

Luckily lentils are one of the healthiest things you can eat.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Not really. Most studies support the consensus findings of nutrition studies for the last several decades. Unfortunately the meat and dairy industries have managed to muddy the waters enough to get most people to just throw up their hands and eat what they want. Processed foods are bad for you. Refined carbs and sugars are bad for you. Saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for you. A diet centered around whole fruits…

This is no less ideological than what you purport to oppose, which is the problem in a nutshell. In the absence of religion, most of us have become religious about little, largely inconsequential lifestyle choices, with food being the most common hill to die upon, and producing some of the most strident adherents. Beware anyone telling you what you should or should not eat, because they're invariably a charlatan push…

Those stagements are pretty much consensus among educated (as opposed to self-propelled) nutrition experts. There is little controversy in saying such a thing.

Note however that the person said "centered around" not "should consist of". That allows for leeway in any direction.

Another discussion is that of dietary choices being "inconsequential": Food production has large consequences, and small individual choices can on a population level be far from inconsequential.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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You lump them all together as if they are the same (tobacco, meat, dairy, eggs) yet you conveniently left out the Grain farming industry and Vegetarian/Vegan food industry, these industries buy scientific studies and food & nutrition organizations too.

There's an order of magnitude difference between the marketing and lobbying budgets of the animal agriculture industry and the others you mentioned. There is no "big broccoli" funding dodgy nutrition studies.

There is however plenty of "Anti-meat/Meat Causes Cancer" dodgy nutrition studies pushed by the World Health Organization (WHO) and Vegetarian/Vegan agenda by The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics

indeed, an order of magnitude difference.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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This is no less ideological than what you purport to oppose, which is the problem in a nutshell. In the absence of religion, most of us have become religious about little, largely inconsequential lifestyle choices, with food being the most common hill to die upon, and producing some of the most strident adherents. Beware anyone telling you what you should or should not eat, because they're invariably a charlatan push…

There are a mountain of studies supporting this kind of diet. And it's the diet the healthiest populations in the world eat. The only diet religion is people trying to somehow claim that stuffing yourself with butter and bacon is healthy.

Oh, there are certainly a multitude of diet religions out there. Paleos, vegans, vegetarians, pescatarians, non-celiac glutenphobes, ketos, the list goes on and on. Recently my mother-in-law read a book blaming all of the ills of the world on lectins that she took to heart, and wouldn't eat beans or tomatoes or grains for months.

The most aggravating thing about the diet religions is that nobody seems to be able to keep to themselves and practice quietly, they are compelled to evangelize and convert the heathen to the True Way. It's very tiresome when you have more important things to be concerned about than what you are putting down your gullet.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Of course there are, this is pervasive. This has been done for decades by the tobacco industry, by the meat, dairy and eggs industry and others that try to buy scientific studies that favor their product.

You lump them all together as if they are the same (tobacco, meat, dairy, eggs) yet you conveniently left out the Grain farming industry and Vegetarian/Vegan food industry, these industries buy scientific studies and food & nutrition organizations too.

Sometimes my impression is that, after the fact that studies were compromised got somewhat widely known, the next strategy is now "muddy the waters":

Suddenly all studies are compromised so we can't possibly know anything anyway and might just go on to eat our burgers...

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You jest, but in Canada at least, that's a thing. http://www.lentils.org/

I didn't realize until I saw this DW documentary that Canada supplies a lot of the world's lentils: https://www.dw.com/en/lentils-food-for-the-future/av-4370243... Luckily lentils are one of the healthiest things you can eat.

Says who?

I bet if we do a proper study we will find out the truth: that every kind of food eventually leads to death.

Of course, that's what the Fasting industry wants you to think...

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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The whole nutrition field is an absolute disgrace, giving a bad name to the medicine and science. We basically resort to having beliefs instead of depending on science, with the parent confirming husband own biases in only a couple of words. When something like 80% of studies on nutrition are either compromised or never confirmed by independent sources, it’s no wonder that people turn to the alternative medicine prom…

Not really. Most studies support the consensus findings of nutrition studies for the last several decades. Unfortunately the meat and dairy industries have managed to muddy the waters enough to get most people to just throw up their hands and eat what they want. Processed foods are bad for you. Refined carbs and sugars are bad for you. Saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for you. A diet centered around whole fruits…

Saturated fat has been vindicated by a majority of modern studies while polyunsaturated has been crucified. Selling us industrial vegetable oils as food was clever. That doesn't mean we should eat a aide of bacon a day, but avoiding whole unprocessed foods containing saturated fats for any reason other than calorie count is flawed. And dietary cholesterol does not correlate with ldl, nor does ldl strongly correlate with death.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an order of magnitude difference between the marketing and lobbying budgets of the animal agriculture industry and the others you mentioned. There is no "big broccoli" funding dodgy nutrition studies.

There is however plenty of "Anti-meat/Meat Causes Cancer" dodgy nutrition studies pushed by the World Health Organization (WHO) and Vegetarian/Vegan agenda by The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics indeed, an order of magnitude difference.

What makes them dodgy?

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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We are all told that red wine if consumed in limited amounts every day is very beneficial for health in the long term. Of late, I heard that this scientific marketing was also sponsored by the alcohol industry and high chances that this notion is fake and preposterous.

I always assumed that this had to do with antioxidants in grapes and nothing to do with alcohol itself. That's not so far fetched to me, but why not just drink grape juice?
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