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Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by hrnnnnnn »

jamklda wrote: post #34
cageface wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an order of magnitude difference between the marketing and lobbying budgets of the animal agriculture industry and the others you mentioned. There is no "big broccoli" funding dodgy nutrition studies.

There is however plenty of "Anti-meat/Meat Causes Cancer" dodgy nutrition studies pushed by the World Health Organization (WHO) and Vegetarian/Vegan agenda by The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics indeed, an order of magnitude difference.

Can you post some of your sources please?

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by matwood »

cageface wrote: post #26
bad_user wrote: post #21

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The whole nutrition field is an absolute disgrace, giving a bad name to the medicine and science. We basically resort to having beliefs instead of depending on science, with the parent confirming husband own biases in only a couple of words. When something like 80% of studies on nutrition are either compromised or never confirmed by independent sources, it’s no wonder that people turn to the alternative medicine prom…

Not really. Most studies support the consensus findings of nutrition studies for the last several decades. Unfortunately the meat and dairy industries have managed to muddy the waters enough to get most people to just throw up their hands and eat what they want. Processed foods are bad for you. Refined carbs and sugars are bad for you. Saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for you. A diet centered around whole fruits…

> Processed foods are bad for you.

This is really the key, and would do wonders for a majority of the population. Even if eggs and bacon is not ideal, switching out PopTarts/donuts for an egg and slice of bacon is a healthier alternative. Add some mushrooms and a tomato on the side and you have breakfast.

The other half of this equation is exercise. The benefits are enormous, yet few people do it consistently.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by jdietrich »

godelmachine wrote: post #22

We are all told that red wine if consumed in limited amounts every day is very beneficial for health in the long term. Of late, I heard that this scientific marketing was also sponsored by the alcohol industry and high chances that this notion is fake and preposterous.

Discussions about diet have been massively muddied by things that don't really matter. A lot of people have completely lost faith in nutritional science, because what they hear in the news is often confusing and contradictory.

A glass of wine per day might have a very slight benefit, or it might be slightly harmful. We're not entirely sure, because the effect size is very small either way. Have a glass of wine, don't have a glass of wine, it doesn't really matter.

We are very confident that eating fruit and vegetables is good for you. The majority of Americans eat significantly less than the recommended amount of fruit and vegetables. We are very confident that drinking more than a small amount of alcohol is bad for you. 30% of Americans drink more than the recommended amount. We are very confident that being obese is bad for you. 40% of Americans are obese.

We should probably just ignore any new studies in nutrition, because we're failing to act on stuff that we've known about for decades, stuff that most people would agree is common sense. We need to focus our efforts on getting the basics right.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by [deleted] »

hrnnnnnn wrote: post #51
jamklda wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is however plenty of "Anti-meat/Meat Causes Cancer" dodgy nutrition studies pushed by the World Health Organization (WHO) and Vegetarian/Vegan agenda by The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics indeed, an order of magnitude difference.

Can you post some of your sources please?

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Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by cageface »

galangalalgol wrote: post #38
cageface wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Most studies support the consensus findings of nutrition studies for the last several decades. Unfortunately the meat and dairy industries have managed to muddy the waters enough to get most people to just throw up their hands and eat what they want. Processed foods are bad for you. Refined carbs and sugars are bad for you. Saturated fat and cholesterol are bad for you. A diet centered around whole fruits…

Saturated fat has been vindicated by a majority of modern studies while polyunsaturated has been crucified. Selling us industrial vegetable oils as food was clever. That doesn't mean we should eat a aide of bacon a day, but avoiding whole unprocessed foods containing saturated fats for any reason other than calorie count is flawed. And dietary cholesterol does not correlate with ldl, nor does ldl strongly correlate w…

Numerous direct intervention studies have shown the clear causal link between dietary saturated fat and blood cholesterol levels. You can obscure this fact by playing games with population meta studies because individual baseline levels vary a lot and are genetically determined.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-s...

Anecdotally, I and several people I know have dramatically dropped our blood cholesterol levels by cutting this stuff out of our diets.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by cageface »

jamklda wrote: post #43
cageface wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realize until I saw this DW documentary that Canada supplies a lot of the world's lentils: https://www.dw.com/en/lentils-food-for-the-future/av-4370243... Luckily lentils are one of the healthiest things you can eat.

Lot's of people suffer from legume/lentils allergy, it's anything but healthy for them.

It goes without saying that eating something you’re allergic to doesn’t make sense. For most of us lentils are a cheap and very nutritious food.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

internetman55 wrote: post #48

My grandpa is into his 80s without many health issues while drinking occasionally but not everyday or anything. His brothers all loved drinking more and died earlier in much worse condition. Hence I will just drink smaller amounts of alcohol and not obsess over such issues

Don't drink every day/regularly, and only drink 2-3 units when you do drink, seems to be reasonable advice.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by stephengillie »

amelius wrote: post #47
hrnnnnnn wrote: post #42

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Or go one better and eat the whole grapes.

I've heard that grapes are among the worst kinds of fruit you can eat when it comes to pesticides. http://time.com/5234787/dirty-dozen-pesticides/

Organic grapes exist, and this is one reason why.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by ryanworl »

cageface wrote: post #55
galangalalgol wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saturated fat has been vindicated by a majority of modern studies while polyunsaturated has been crucified. Selling us industrial vegetable oils as food was clever. That doesn't mean we should eat a aide of bacon a day, but avoiding whole unprocessed foods containing saturated fats for any reason other than calorie count is flawed. And dietary cholesterol does not correlate with ldl, nor does ldl strongly correlate w…

Numerous direct intervention studies have shown the clear causal link between dietary saturated fat and blood cholesterol levels. You can obscure this fact by playing games with population meta studies because individual baseline levels vary a lot and are genetically determined. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-s... Anecdotally, I and several people I know have dramatically dropped our blood…

Why are you concerned with blood cholesterol as opposed to e.g. calcium scoring or actual inflammation markers you can measure almost as easily as a lipid panel? One does not spontaneously develop atherosclerosis from elevated blood cholesterol. That just doesn’t make sense from a metabolic perspective.

Re: A Major Industry-Funded Alcohol Study Was Compromised

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Post by Dolores12 »

thermodynthrway wrote: post #27
true_religion wrote: post #17

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It never happened. These comments pop up every so often, indicating conspiracy but naming no names, or giving no details.

Isn't that exactly what you would expect if the threats were real? I'm not a believer in conspiracies but some of the large tech companies are well known for trying to silence critics. Although the same could probably be said about any company with so much money and power. Silicon valley tries to maintain a squeaky clean image, but as we're finding out from Facebook, some of them are no better than say Comcast. From…

>Isn't that exactly what you would expect if the threats were real?

as soon as it is throwaway account s/he should be safe

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