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Why Happy People Cheat

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Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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That's easily solved with a blood test before you engage in a sexual relationship with additional partners.

That seems both impractical and likely to ruin any mood. Instead of, "Hold on, I have to get a condom." It is now, "Let's take you down to the clinic and get you tested!" Then, as they likely have multiple partners as well, you end up needing a constant stream of blood tests. In short, it's risky behavior. You can do it, it's not up to me to judge. But, it seems like a lot more work than just committing to one person…

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Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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I'm sorry, it is conditionally worded and is grounded in my personal experiences. You can have your view, but don't sling ignorant insults. Perhaps try to show me why it is wrong? Or perhaps open your mind as to why someone might think it is the case.

You've just said that marriage breakup for women is worse than for men, because it leaves them without something to be mad at! And somehow you think that's not sexist....

It 'can be worse' if there is no cheating. My position to the extent that it is sexist is that it may even be worse for them on average. You just seem to be deliberately misconstruing my position because you would rather shut it down then argue the nuance and accept you don't know everything about the world.

Am I sexist? By your definition probably yes. Men and women, especially when it comes to relationships are rather different (on average). Now if I believe that, then what is wrong with that? It all seems pretty plausible to me.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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> there is always a suspicion … that one is living a lie or a mistake; that something crucially important has been overlooked, missed, neglected, left untried and unexplored; that a vital obligation to one’s own authentic self has not been met, or that some chances of unknown happiness completely different from any happiness experienced before have not been taken up in time and are bound to be lost forever.

In my opinion this quote sums up not only the thesis of the article but also one of the primary diseases afflicting our society.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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To me, that sounds like a problem caused by patriarchy or other power imbalances: in many societies, men have great power (earning potential), women have little, and hence are forced to marry (preferably the richest man) to gain power. Of course you can address the symptom (women choosing the wealthier/more powerful men, leaving the men who are less-so without a mate), but the underlying disease remains: womens' choi…

I don't think you've quite understood my last comment. It's not really about men being high earners or having some sort indefinable social capital that makes women "marry up" in most examples of polygynous cultures AFAICT, it's literal force. It's not women choosing to marry the man with the most power or wealth, it's cultural and religious forced marriage, on threat of ostracism, familial disgrace or much worse. Yes…

> It's not women choosing to marry the man with the most power or wealth, it's cultural and religious forced marriage, on threat of ostracism, familial disgrace or much worse.

No, I get that – my point is, there's not much difference between social pressure to marry someone wealthy because you were not raised to be a breadwinner and thus would starve if you didn't marry up, and social pressure to marry someone in high social standing because you'd be ostracized otherwise. Social pressures that prevent women from gaining power and thus being forced to marry to get it, are not that different from social pressures that explicitly force women to marry powerful men.

> Yes, it is a problem caused by patriarchy, they tend to be highly patriarchal societies, the ones where men routinely have more than one wife.

Which is exactly my thesis: patriarchy is the cause, polygyny is the symptom. Applying a band-aid of normalized monogamous marriages to ensure mates for low-status men (as the GP insinuated) addresses the symptom, and ignores the cause.

(You see the same thing with prostitution BTW – prostitution is "bad" because it places desperate women in a position where they are taken advantage of by clients. But banning prostitution doesn't fix anything – you still have women who see no other earning potential than selling sex. The real problem is patriarchy that creates such a large class of women with no independent earning potential in the first place. Fix that, and the problem of prostitution-from-desperation diminishes greatly.)

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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So affairs are 'wrong', but who would want to live in a world where there are no affairs? We excessively police and punish our partners, our friends' partners and our parents, but often hypocritically, when it comes to ourselves and our friends cheating will generally be forgiven. I am not even advocating abolishing the hypocricy. Without it affairs probably wouldn't be exciting and equally, faithful relationships wo…

Death threats are never ok but hatred is completely understandable.

To feel hatred for someone who betrayed you, who lied to you, who acted like you were a crazy person for feeling the disconnect between the two of you, who accepted your fidelity while not returning it and made you doubt your worth as a human being is perfectly understandable.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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Just be polyamorous (see e.g. https://polyfidelity.org.au/about/polyamory/education/121-th... , http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/06/polyamory-is-boring/ ). If there is a need to have multiple partners instead of going the "traditional way" (one official partner + cheating or some shady don't ask don't tell arrangement) it seems much healthier to openly discuss needs and boundaries. We shouldn't just accept "system d…

What do you do when someone gets pregnant?

Peace and love, man.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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That's easily solved with a blood test before you engage in a sexual relationship with additional partners.

Small bugfix: Regular blood tests* As any of your partners could be adding additional partners, and probably so could theirs. And if they're very open - they might casually have sex with someone else every weekend. Maintenance nightmare if you ask me. :P

The foundation of all relationships is trust. You can't hack around dishonesty. Don't be in a relationship with someone you can't trust if your health depends on it.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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The reason it's ostensibly confusing is that the standard narrative of human sexuality—one sexual partner for life after getting married—is, forgive me, completely batshit insane. That's not to say that people haven't done it. People do, of course. And that's not to say that that's wrong or something, either. But the expectation of total 'fidelity' for life is unreasonable. For more on this subject I recommend the bo…

Well if you think so you have to admit it is dishonest to promise otherwise.

Re: Why Happy People Cheat

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You've just said that marriage breakup for women is worse than for men, because it leaves them without something to be mad at! And somehow you think that's not sexist....

It 'can be worse' if there is no cheating. My position to the extent that it is sexist is that it may even be worse for them on average. You just seem to be deliberately misconstruing my position because you would rather shut it down then argue the nuance and accept you don't know everything about the world. Am I sexist? By your definition probably yes. Men and women, especially when it comes to relationships are rat…

I'm not deliberately misconstruing your comment, but on re-reading I can see what you're trying to say a little better - your wording leaves something to be desired, and I still don't think it's necessary to bring gender into it at all.

You seem to think that a massive betrayal of trust would be better for someone you're breaking up with, than telling them that you're leaving them for other reasons, because it gives them something to hate afterwards.

I'd say that's arse-backwards, personally.

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