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Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I totally get that this is largely about losing a decade of "purchased" stuff that is tied to the email address, meaning you're being heavily steered into starting paying for emails etc just to keep your purchased movies, apps, and so on. If you do decide to move away it may not be as bad as you expect for the everyday email, contacts, and calendar. In particular when it comes to your email you probably don't need to…

I have a number of users at user1/user2/etc@mydomain.com on G Suite. If I started to use Fastmail, could they all continue to use their existing email addresses at Fastmail to send/receive mail, access their historical emails (if I copy those across) etc using whatever client? And second question: if after this G Suite shutdown in May (or whenever) Gmail is stopped for these users they can presumably still link Fastm…

(I'm not affiliated with Fastmail, just a user of their services. Please do research to double-check stuff.)

> I have a number of users at user1/user2/etc@mydomain.com on G Suite. If I started to use Fastmail, could they all continue to use their existing email addresses at Fastmail to send/receive mail, access their historical emails (if I copy those across) etc using whatever client?

Fastmail supports multiple users per domain (and multiple domains btw). For those users it should only need the client updating with details of Fastmail's servers instead of Google's. Then it should work the same.

> And second question: if after this G Suite shutdown in May (or whenever) Gmail is stopped for these users they can presumably still link Fastmail to Gmail? Or would they have to use some other email client?

You'd not be using the GMail app at that point. You would either be using Fastmail's own app or a third party client such as the Outlook app (which is actually very good, only moderately tied to MS, and works with other email providers).

If your users are using GMail on the web they'd switch to the Fastmail site instead and, personally, I think that wipes the floor with the mess that GMail has become.

> Would they each get their own credentials for logging in or would I have to trust them with my "main" Fastmail credentials? I've never used another email provider before.

From Fastmail's user configuration screen: "Each user has their own inbox and login".

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Whatever and whoever you choose, try it first whilst you've still got time. Pick up a really cheap domain name (a random one as it is a throwaway for testing) and start a trial account. Configure a few users, set up the app, and try it out.

Transferring emails is quick with Fastmail, but I wouldn't do that for any kind of test as it is very easy to get a setting wrong and move them from GMail instead of copy them, which makes your trial somewhat more permanent unless you move them back.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I don't want Google Suite. I don't want Google Workspaces. I want plain old Gmail with a custom domain. Google kept moving the goalposts and now they tell me that I'm a freeloader for not paying for the features I didn't ask for.

This is exactly how I feel, and now I'm not sure where to move because I have 8 domains configured and services like ProtonMail want me to pay them for every domain (which just makes no sense to me, I can't figure out how the code that makes this a costly problem looks, my guess is it's a money grab tbh). Sure I don't often use them all, but it comes in handy at times to be able to quickly use a different domain. Bee…

Highly recommend Fastmail. Fantastic server side search and web app (plus has calendar which is essential for an email app imo). There also is nothing holding you back from bringing your own mail client (that can actually interact with the server eg tagging). They also allow connecting to other accounts such as gmail letting you have a single inbox on Fastmail itself.

Favorite “hidden” feature is the ability to do sieve scripting which combined with wildcards and send from identities lets me auto sort emails by path. Eg apps-tech-hackernews@example.com. Also the standard account comes with 100 domains and are real easy to setup.

Been using it for a year now and I haven’t had a single issue. Also the pricing is very reasonable.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Identical situations, VIP dyndns, all Nexus phones, 3 Pixels and google apps. On the plus side, I can't think of any other free service I use. (Damn, just remembered I use the hobbyist license for fusion360, they are slowly crippling that but not a big bang). What are you going to do for DNS? I just got static DNS for home so I guess I could host my own DNS but the custom gapps domain mail will be a hassle. Maybe jus…

Just to answer one of my own questions. I am tossing up between ProtonMail and Runbox. Both have custom domains for the first paid level tier and I'll get better security to boot. Both take BTC so it comes from my trading account and not the family funds. :) DNS I'll probably look at when Larry from Oracle kicks the last of the VIPS off dyndns. Looking at hosting on a container in my DMZ. Something I have not done fo…

I used Runbox for very many years and loved it. I cannot even remember why I migrated off; I was probably naively seduced by the launch of GMail (it was a long while ago) and getting similar stuff for free (I was an idiot).

Every couple of years I get a new trial account with them as I liked it so much, and each time I think 'nothing has really changed'. I read their dev blog and it's interesting, and their staff were great each time, but it just seems to take forever for anything to get done.

It may have been finished now, but the last time I tried them (only maybe a year or two ago) I was put off by wanting to move my calendar entries over and finding out that the new(ish) CalDav support they'd added had no web interface to it.

I get that the basics don't really change (and they are good at it); I just get irritated at the lack of pace. Otherwise I'd definitely consider returning to them.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I guess Google feels it has enough of a monopoly they can afford to piss off any finite number of people (even very early peer-to-peer evangelists of their product) and write it off as business as usual.

I mean, how many people _really_ are using this feature? And what added benefit do they provide to Google for being "early evangelists". Not defending Google, just a little surprised people think that being an early adopter would matter to a company as large as _Google_.

Exactly. What does Google expect to earn with this move? The increased revenue they're pulling with this must be _marginal_ compared to the rest of their product lines. Is it really worth it to annoy lifelong customers for pennies?

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I'm a Google employee who just found out about this. I'm not annoyed that I have to pay, it's been ~13 years of free service and I don't think Google is obligated to continue providing this to me. The annoying part is that Google doesn't provide any migration tool, but there are migration tools for Google Edu accounts so that graduating students can migrate their data to personal Google accounts. The software is evid…

Google employees are entitled to a discounted tier ($0.75 per user per year, I think), and that will continue even if you leave the company.

"that will continue even if you leave the company" - yeah, just like the free email on custom domains forever...

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Five months is not short notice, full stop. Even three months I would have a hard time thinking of any reasonable argument. The length of time you've used a service is irrelevant, the question is how much of a lift is it to switch, and nothing on Google Apps would take you anywhere near 90 days to switch out of. I pay something like $65 or $70/yr for O365 Outlook for a personal domain email, and the email is the only…

I found out because I saw it on HN, this page was posted on googles side, last month. How many people have not even been told yet? I'd be happy to pay them 120 bucks a year for what I'm getting now, 10 email accounts, of which, one sees actual use.

> I'd be happy to pay them 120 bucks a year for what I'm getting now

The only reason I'm still using it is because account bound purchases are attached to it, otherwise it would have been long gone. As long as there is no way of transferring these anywhere google will not get a single cent.

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Has anyone used iCloud mail recently? I’m already paying for Apple One, so this would be a $0 extra cost solution for me and my family.

I am, just for myself, it has worked fine with all my devices (including Thunderbird, K-9 and davx5). Calendar invitations work fine too

Thank you for sharing! I am worried because mail isn’t apples core business…

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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I'm actually rather salty about this, as a long-time G suite user: google has considerably degraded the service over the last few years. For example, since a couple of years ago you can't rate apps on Google Play and leave reviews if you use a G Suite account. You also can't use family subscription/space sharing plans, which is especially ironic given that many years ago Google was promoting G suite (or whatever it w…

Yes and I also suspect that android backup works worse for GSuite accounts (can't confirm). It looked to me like it would backup less so I switched to @gmail.com for all non-email google services some time ago. Now I can review PlayStore apps and I know backup works as good as it can.

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I've dug into this through the documentation and in discussions with workspace support and its not as bad as we fear, at least in terms of purchases. If you cancel your workspace account, then the individual user accounts will still have access to non-workspace services [0], which importantly includes Google Play and all access to your purchases will be retained. Any other google services which aren't core apps will…

You keep posting this but without an actual link to what it means for services not mentioned.

From my comment: "Any other google services which aren't core apps will also work as normal."

Reference: https://support.google.com/a/answer/1257646?product_name=Unu...

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Its not just googlers, the legacy accounts where available to everyone at the start. but the venn diagram overlap of people * willing to pay for such a tool, * not having switched to another provider since * and not willing to start paying for it now will be tiny

It was free for 10 accounts. The number one massively applicable use case vs plain google accounts was vanity domain names and signing up was no harder than creating a regular gmail account. There are probably more vanity domain users than small businesses with 10 people. In fact I would venture to guess with the 10 address limit they are nearly 100% of the remaining users on the legacy program. The cost of the domai…

> Basically every bullet point you listed is wrong. The remaining pool of users is likely 99% vanity users who would have used Gmail+custom domain forever at no real cost to Google over free Gmail none of which will migrate to Google workspace.

Why do any of your issues in any way contribute to the decision wherever someone should invest their time to create a migration tool so users can switch from the old legacy product to a free account which doesn't have any of the domain features to begin with?

I get that you're unhappy that Google discontinues their free service for you, but that wasn't what the discussion was about.

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