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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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One thing about claims (say display Crimea as part of Russia within Russia and as Ukraine elsewhere), but distorting SIZES of the places on maps according to someone's political preference is well... plain out ridiculous, laughable. It displays how messed up China is more than anything else. It's seriously hard to expect the place that does things like that, as a next superpower. You can't build a superpower on silly…

If I remember correctly, this used to happen on historical maps too, the UK and Europe were often made larger than they actually are. It feels silly but there are manipulative reasons to do this.

I say you remember incorrectly. Some map projections (see https://explainxkcd.com/977> for an overview) make objects appear proportionally larger when we move from the equator to the poles, Greenland and Antarctica are greatly exaggerated. But this is motivated by stereometric reasons – everything on the same latitude is equally distorted – and not because the King wanted a huge Mappy McMapface.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Apple is not progressive. Apple does not care about user privacy outside of a marketing strategy in US. Apple is not eco friendly.

Apple is a mega corporation that in many ways is ruthless and efficient. They make solid hardware and are excellent at marketing.

Apple will do whatever is needed to keep the money flowing. It has no problem adjusting its “core” values to meet different government needs.

My two cents

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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I’m a Chinese. I’m glad that apple did this. While I want apple to keep its dignity as much as you do, I cannot change our government (we don’t get to vote, so we literally cannot). Given this situation, if apple don’t do these kind of things, worse case scenario, it get banned in china just like google and many others. As a user, apple products are still the most privacy protecting products I can buy and use in chin…

> (we don’t get to vote, so we literally cannot)

That simply not true. Millions sacrificed their lives so they countries could be free. You just don't want to fight and you are happy with expansion of communism. The West is not going to fight for you, you have to do it yourself. Don't be cowards.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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The title implies $275B in revenue (well, to me it does) but the article says "$275 billion in spending"

That may be different than revenue for Apple. Does the pay wall article clarify this?

Note: I'm not defending Apple here. Assisting a regime like the PRC with technology that could be used to further violate human rights is something the US should be monitoring and cracked down on with significant force, whether it's $275B or $10k

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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I compared the same area in apple vs google maps, the islands don't even show up in google unless you zoom way in. You sure about this?

People outside of China are served a different set of maps. Each country is served maps that conform to their territorial claims. E.g. If you view the map of India while in India, it'll appear different than if you viewed it in China.

Just do a Google search for the kinds of maps the some American schools use, you'll be amazed. Once, my wife had to hear from a university geography professor in America that Texas was larger than Brazil. When contested the professor said he was pretty sure.

I'm not supporting China territorial claims, but I don't expect anything different from their government. I did however expected better from the U.S.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People outside of China are served a different set of maps. Each country is served maps that conform to their territorial claims. E.g. If you view the map of India while in India, it'll appear different than if you viewed it in China.

One thing about claims (say display Crimea as part of Russia within Russia and as Ukraine elsewhere), but distorting SIZES of the places on maps according to someone's political preference is well... plain out ridiculous, laughable. It displays how messed up China is more than anything else. It's seriously hard to expect the place that does things like that, as a next superpower. You can't build a superpower on silly…

AFAICT it is not "distorting SIZES". It is at which zoom level an area or island becomes visible.

> It displays how messed up China is more than anything else.

Eh, the USSR was made bigger on maps for decades because of US "4-year-old level lies". This is not even in the same ballpark.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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> ... but it seems to make sense for a lot of their highly educated citizens who decided to make it happen here in America! That's not the same thing as wanting to abandon independence. Folks go to work in other countries not because they want their home country to be America. Those smart highly-educated workers aren't moving to America so much as the Bay Area to work at tech companies and make money - based on my pe…

It's interesting that the narrative is that when people move to Canada, it's because they have a deep desire of becoming Canadian, and according to the current administration deserve it even more than the folks who built the country [0], but when it's people coming to the US it's simply for higher pay and not because they want to make America their home. Meanwhile, there are now universities where 85% of the graduati…

> It's interesting that the narrative is that when people move to Canada, it's because they have a deep desire of becoming Canadian.

That’s fine on an individual level but that doesn’t mean they want to merge their home countries into Canada!

Someone from Italy may move to the US but that is totally disjoint from them wanting to make Italy the 51st state. If they retain a strong positive association with the attributes of their home country, they want to retain independence to preserve them. If they have a negative association with their home country they have no interest in merging them either as they've actively distanced themselves from the negative attributes of their home state.

Someone moving from California to New York doesn't want to see CA and NY merge into one bi-coastal superstate any more than someone moving from India to Canada wants to see a bi-continental megastate.

> Meanwhile, there are now universities where 85% of the graduating class immediately moves to the US upon graduation [1]. And the numbers have actually increased during the Trump administration, despite the narrative that the US would stop attracting international talent.

The number of people who desired to stay after college went up, but visa issuance was suspended so they were precluded. They can want to stay all day long, they're not being allowed to. And that will have an effect in time. Meanwhile... [1]

[1] https://www.ft.com/content/b663ef33-2b6c-42ea-8952-bee9673f6...

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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post #604

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I remember correctly, this used to happen on historical maps too, the UK and Europe were often made larger than they actually are. It feels silly but there are manipulative reasons to do this.

> If I remember correctly, this used to happen on historical maps too, the UK and Europe were often made larger than they actually are. A consequence of the projection chosen, applied uniformly (e.g. Mercator, which also makes Greenland and Alaska ludicrously large)? Or do you mean maps that enlarged Europe specifically? Mercator is dumb (for anything other than navigation), but there is a significant difference here…

Many maps -especially US maps- enlarged USSR for decades. China says "X must be visible at zoom level Y instead of at Y-5". Not at all comparable.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I remember correctly, this used to happen on historical maps too, the UK and Europe were often made larger than they actually are. A consequence of the projection chosen, applied uniformly (e.g. Mercator, which also makes Greenland and Alaska ludicrously large)? Or do you mean maps that enlarged Europe specifically? Mercator is dumb (for anything other than navigation), but there is a significant difference here…

Many maps -especially US maps- enlarged USSR for decades. China says "X must be visible at zoom level Y instead of at Y-5". Not at all comparable.

> Many maps -especially US maps- enlarged USSR for decades.

Can you provide information or citations for this?

> China says "X must be visible at zoom level Y instead of at Y-5".

That's not the claim made in the thread above: "Sometime in 2014 or early 2015, China’s State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping told members of the Apple Maps team to make the Diaoyu Islands, the objects of a long-running territorial dispute between China and Japan, appear large even when users zoomed out from them." Can you provide any citation to the contrary?

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