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Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% protection

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Post by disown »

andrepd wrote: post #167
nsoonhui wrote: post #38

Just curious, why the reaction towards this and the ones from Russia/China are different ?

Trust. Russia and China lie through their teeth on everything and anything. It's irrelevant whether or not they are lying in this particular instance: they cannot be trusted.

Right... And iraq was invaded because of the truth?

You think russia and china lie because of propaganda. Their citizens believe we lie because of propaganda.

Whether one views another country favorably relies entirely on propaganda.

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Post by rehangs_plot »

mumblemumble wrote: post #429
gizmo wrote: post #372

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Contract tracing hasn't worked at scale anywhere. It's a nice idea conceptually, but the problem is psychological. People stop caring about tracing when 98% of all trace connections are false positives. If a person is infectious for a week and the r0 is around 1 then only 1 person of all the people they've been in contact with will actually contract the virus on average. The other 50+ people, assuming they can even b…

There's also participation on the contact side. In Western countries, surveys indicate we can't convince even half of people to install a contact tracing smartphone app. According to my state's department of health, practical experience indicates we can't convince even half of people to pick up the phone and respond to a contact tracing interview. > Covid19 would also be over if people with symptoms would just stay h…

It isn't a western thing. Less than half of Singaporeans installed their TraceTogether app[0].

[0] https://www.zdnet.com/article/less-than-half-in-singapore-wi...

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Post by matz1 »

SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #443
matz1 wrote: post #334

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Vast majority of the cases are asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms.

So what? 1% IFR is very, very high. If 90% of world population gets sick with it, 70 000 000 will die. Compare that with 700 000 flu death every year.

here cdc estimate of ifr https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena...

0-19 years: 0.00003 20-49 years: 0.0002 50-69 years: 0.005 70+ years: 0.054

I wouldn't consider it high at all.

I'm not againts vaccine, I'm againts lockdown.

At least for me I consider the cost/risk from lockdown is greater than the cost/risk from covid.

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Post by Closi »

kgwgk wrote: post #352
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #108

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I think Nintendo will do pretty good as well, Animal Crossing looks like an ideal game for a lockdown.

Today is the day that "lockdown" stocks will go down. Zoom -15%, Nasdaq flat, Norwegian Cruise Line +28%

How are shares in comedic irony doing?

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Post by bluGill »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #574
mquirion wrote: post #195

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It's a 2-dose regimen, needs to be stored at -70C, and Pfizer already said they'll only have 1.5B doses over the course of the next year. It's going to be a very slow roll out.

Why aren’t we using _all_ the factories to make as many doses as possible? There should not be “companies” making these to their capacity. This should be a public effort

You first: why aren't you making this in your garage right now?

For the most part the same answer as to why you aren't making it yourself also apply to most factories in the world. Only a few have the equipment, supplies, and experience to make it.

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Post by nickthemagicman »

smt88 wrote: post #483
sanp wrote: post #322

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Yup. But we do need the government to step in and do this (contact tracing etc.). Hopefully, with the new administration...

I assume you're talking about the US. My belief is that contact tracing is a cultural non-starter here. There are people who protest with large, semi-automatic rifles because they don't want to wear masks inside private businesses. There's absolutely no way they're going to trust a contact-tracing process championed by the government, even if there's no way for the government to access the data. I suspect much of the…

They don't mean make sure everyone is comfortable with it. They mean by force via executive order and penalty of fines or imprisonment. If people don't want to obey they will make you obey and a large part of the country thinks this is a great idea.

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Post by foolfoolz »

charlesdm wrote: post #364
aphextron wrote: post #286

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>I'm feeling a deep-seated wave of relief that I never thought possible. Like waking up from a year-long nightmare. Thank God. Moderna is also only weeks behind Pfizer/Biontech here with a very similar technology and manufacturing capability of hundreds of millions of doses. We'll be seeing the first EUA's by December, and shots in the arm before the end of the year. Pretty incredible that we can just science our way…

This is great and all, and I'm not against vaccinations, but is this safe long term? Am I the only one here who doesn't want to get inoculated in basically the first batch?

the people in the trial are the first batch. these vaccines are following all the standards we have set for vaccines just at an accelerated pace and with accelerated funding. i know a lot of people who are hesitant about this shot, but it does sound antivax to say you aren’t sure it’s safe

id get this today if i could

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Post by shihab »

disown wrote: post #641
andrepd wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trust. Russia and China lie through their teeth on everything and anything. It's irrelevant whether or not they are lying in this particular instance: they cannot be trusted.

Right... And iraq was invaded because of the truth? You think russia and china lie because of propaganda. Their citizens believe we lie because of propaganda. Whether one views another country favorably relies entirely on propaganda.

Not just Iraq war- Vietnam war (pentagon papers), Wikileaks, Snowden revelations- boggles my mind just how many people still have unflinching trust in their government, specially when a comparison to other countries come in. I don't know if it's nationalism or a hidden desire to feel superior or something else.

But given how these western countries handled covid, and the fact that China has a history of fighting viruses like it- I'd rather trust a Chinese vaccine over an American one, all else being equal.

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Post by captain_price7 »

a_humean wrote: post #84
nsoonhui wrote: post #38

Just curious, why the reaction towards this and the ones from Russia/China are different ?

They have only done phase 1/2 trials and this one is phase 3. Also, people trust US/EU research more. They have not been very forthcoming with data. The data that has been made available has been lacking in detail or has patterns that indicate either fabrication or sloppiness. Both countries appear to be moivated by domestic and geopolitical political purposes. The US has also being doing that, but the medical establ…

> people trust Germany more

What people are you talking about here? Western societies or entire world?

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