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Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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The use of AC / Heat will also just burn through your battery or your gas at a much faster rate.

Slight nitpick: Using heat won't affect gas consumption of an ICE car. The heat is waste heat that otherwise would be dissipated through the radiator at the front of the car. Turning on the heat diverts coolant to a heat exchanger (tiny radiator) in the ventilation system that warms the air in the cabin.

Thanks. Learned something today!

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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ICE vehicles have the same issue with range, but we don’t focus so much on it, I think because we just believe that the range os enough, and if I need to refuel I can do that just about anywhere quickly. In those cases that we are heading into an area where that might not be true, we check our fuel and ensure we’re topped up to get all the way through. I wonder if the reason is focusing on a specific range, rather th…

can you expand on how ICE vehicles have the same issue with range?

Running the AC hard or driving at 80mph instead of 60mph can have a pretty big impact on range in an ICE vehicle but nobody really seems to care. A ton of people don't get the EPA rated mileage on their cars in their day to day driving habits, ergo they don't get the EPA listed range of their gas cars, but there's seemingly no organized outrage about that.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Anyone who thinks the utility of an EV is identical to an ICE car in the US is deluding themselves or never gets out of town. I’ll probably take 10 long car trips a year often for camping but sometimes visiting friends. I know that most of the areas I’m driving through when I go east do not have the infrastructure at all and even if they do they’re still a hassle to use and add a bunch of time to a long drive. My mom…

> or never gets out of town. Or they just don't road trip when they get out of town, or "getting out of town" to them is within 100mi or so, or the corridors where they do tend to travel is well served with chargers, etc. I don't know about you, but I don't usually tend to pack my car with me when I go on an airplane. Maybe you do?

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Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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> this inaccuracy is probably the major contributor to "range anxiety" Btw, this "range anxiety" term, is it designed to make people seem crazy for wanting a long-range car?

That's a fun idea :) It refers to the anxiety people have about not having enough "range" left in their car to reach their target destination. The symptom is looking at your "% battery remaining" every 5 seconds, and cursing your car when it drops "3 miles" of range in 1 mile of idealized highway travel. Unfortunately, it's a well-founded anxiety. You're right, by characterizing the problem with a focus on the person…

Hmm, seems my suspicion about the origin of the term was right:

> The term "range anxiety" was first reported in the press on September 1, 1997, in the San Diego Business Journal by Richard Acello referring to worries of GM EV1 electric car drivers. On July 6, 2010, General Motors filed to trademark the term, stating it was for the purpose of "promoting public awareness of electric vehicle capabilities"

Can't think of any other product where the user gets blamed like this. I really do have "MPG anxiety" in my ICE car, always checking the gauge, but nobody calls it that.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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I thought it would be cool. I didn't consider the fact I don't actually like it when someone else is driving. I don't like being a passenger even if a person I trust is driving, so why would an AI be different? Apparently I like to drive more than I thought I did. Also, I didn't realize how many restrictions there would be. You have to keep your hands applying constant tension on the steering wheel, and there's actua…

You can just play games on your phone, or take a quick power nap (don't forget to set a timer!) It's awesome!

Get the fuck off the road with that attitude. You're why people die.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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It's very easy to see how favorably or unfavorably Tesla's claimed range compares to competitors based on independent tests of multiple EVs in the same conditions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LWL90paufE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynCaTDR4rDQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFB6hsYXDiA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvwOa7TCd1E

Spoiler alert: Tesla models fare about as well, if not better, than their EV cousins, hitting around 80% of the stated range in the wild.

No matter how much you guys say you hate Tesla, it doesn't change the fact what the best selling car in the world is.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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Does heating in internal combustion engine cars really affect fuel consumption? My assumption was that most cabin heat was waste heat from the engine, that would otherwise be vented out? Given the dismal efficiency of ICE, shouldn't it be enough to keep a cabin warm even in quite cold climates?

The engine by itself produces a lot of waste heat. But modern engines are more efficient and take a while to warm up (especially diesels, but small turbos like Honda 1.5 too) so cars sometimes implement resistive heating to heat the cabin quicker. Also some cars have independent heating that can be used to heat up the car up without running an engine. Not sure how exactly it works but I think it uses special battery.…

Block heaters can be used to heat the engine coolant (and afterwards the cabin) with or without running the engine. I doubt any cars have special batteries for these (even a drive battery of a non-plugin hybrid is somewhat small to be useful); block heaters that don't require external electricity simply use the car's fuel in an auxiliary burner.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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I have a model Y. I hate almost everything about it. But most germane, The "Battery meter" at the top of the display is total bunk. That's got to be "rosy" numbers. It'll display a the battery in miles, but it's at least 25% inflated. However if you punch in a destination, you'll get exact numbers, and those are insanely reliable. It claims (and I don't believe any claims coming from tesla) that it'll factor wind, el…

It's very easy to see how favorably or unfavorably Tesla's claimed range compares to competitors based on independent tests of multiple EVs in the same conditions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LWL90paufE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynCaTDR4rDQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFB6hsYXDiA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvwOa7TCd1E

Spoiler alert: Tesla models fare about as well, if not better, than their EV cousins, hitting around 80% of the stated range in the wild.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

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"I like X, therefore any negative information about X is lies propagated by their enemies" is a dangerous position to take.

The danger is that he buys a bad Tesla one day. Oh well. This was the position I took with the iPhone 4 long ago because of the nonsense "antennagate" thing. I said forget Consumer Reports, the phone works fine. The tech magazines were (and still are?) also touting the latest "iPhone killer" random Android phone, and I said nah they're paid. If I listened to them, I'd have like a Motorola DROID EpiC XX2.

It's a low-stakes danger for buying a Tesla, probably - though I would never buy one, at least in current design, because I think it's acutely dangerous to be by not having tactile controls that do not require me to look at them - but if it's not a problem for that person, so be it. But in general such approach to evaluating information would make one take bad decisions.

> I said forget Consumer Reports, the phone works fine.

If it works for you, then it works for you. It's not the same as saying people for whom it doesn't work are motivated liars, though.

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