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The use of AC / Heat will also just burn through your battery or your gas at a much faster rate.
Slight nitpick: Using heat won't affect gas consumption of an ICE car. The heat is waste heat that otherwise would be dissipated through the radiator at the front of the car. Turning on the heat diverts coolant to a heat exchanger (tiny radiator) in the ventilation system that warms the air in the cabin.
Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints
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Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints
#632ICE vehicles have the same issue with range, but we don’t focus so much on it, I think because we just believe that the range os enough, and if I need to refuel I can do that just about anywhere quickly. In those cases that we are heading into an area where that might not be true, we check our fuel and ensure we’re topped up to get all the way through. I wonder if the reason is focusing on a specific range, rather th…
can you expand on how ICE vehicles have the same issue with range?
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Anyone who thinks the utility of an EV is identical to an ICE car in the US is deluding themselves or never gets out of town. I’ll probably take 10 long car trips a year often for camping but sometimes visiting friends. I know that most of the areas I’m driving through when I go east do not have the infrastructure at all and even if they do they’re still a hassle to use and add a bunch of time to a long drive. My mom…
> or never gets out of town. Or they just don't road trip when they get out of town, or "getting out of town" to them is within 100mi or so, or the corridors where they do tend to travel is well served with chargers, etc. I don't know about you, but I don't usually tend to pack my car with me when I go on an airplane. Maybe you do?
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> this inaccuracy is probably the major contributor to "range anxiety" Btw, this "range anxiety" term, is it designed to make people seem crazy for wanting a long-range car?
That's a fun idea :) It refers to the anxiety people have about not having enough "range" left in their car to reach their target destination. The symptom is looking at your "% battery remaining" every 5 seconds, and cursing your car when it drops "3 miles" of range in 1 mile of idealized highway travel. Unfortunately, it's a well-founded anxiety. You're right, by characterizing the problem with a focus on the person…
> The term "range anxiety" was first reported in the press on September 1, 1997, in the San Diego Business Journal by Richard Acello referring to worries of GM EV1 electric car drivers. On July 6, 2010, General Motors filed to trademark the term, stating it was for the purpose of "promoting public awareness of electric vehicle capabilities"
Can't think of any other product where the user gets blamed like this. I really do have "MPG anxiety" in my ICE car, always checking the gauge, but nobody calls it that.
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I thought it would be cool. I didn't consider the fact I don't actually like it when someone else is driving. I don't like being a passenger even if a person I trust is driving, so why would an AI be different? Apparently I like to drive more than I thought I did. Also, I didn't realize how many restrictions there would be. You have to keep your hands applying constant tension on the steering wheel, and there's actua…
You can just play games on your phone, or take a quick power nap (don't forget to set a timer!) It's awesome!
Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints
#636https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LWL90paufE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynCaTDR4rDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFB6hsYXDiA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvwOa7TCd1E
Spoiler alert: Tesla models fare about as well, if not better, than their EV cousins, hitting around 80% of the stated range in the wild.
No matter how much you guys say you hate Tesla, it doesn't change the fact what the best selling car in the world is.
Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints
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Does heating in internal combustion engine cars really affect fuel consumption? My assumption was that most cabin heat was waste heat from the engine, that would otherwise be vented out? Given the dismal efficiency of ICE, shouldn't it be enough to keep a cabin warm even in quite cold climates?
The engine by itself produces a lot of waste heat. But modern engines are more efficient and take a while to warm up (especially diesels, but small turbos like Honda 1.5 too) so cars sometimes implement resistive heating to heat the cabin quicker. Also some cars have independent heating that can be used to heat up the car up without running an engine. Not sure how exactly it works but I think it uses special battery.…
Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints
#638Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints
#639I have a model Y. I hate almost everything about it. But most germane, The "Battery meter" at the top of the display is total bunk. That's got to be "rosy" numbers. It'll display a the battery in miles, but it's at least 25% inflated. However if you punch in a destination, you'll get exact numbers, and those are insanely reliable. It claims (and I don't believe any claims coming from tesla) that it'll factor wind, el…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LWL90paufE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynCaTDR4rDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFB6hsYXDiA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvwOa7TCd1E
Spoiler alert: Tesla models fare about as well, if not better, than their EV cousins, hitting around 80% of the stated range in the wild.
Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints
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"I like X, therefore any negative information about X is lies propagated by their enemies" is a dangerous position to take.
The danger is that he buys a bad Tesla one day. Oh well. This was the position I took with the iPhone 4 long ago because of the nonsense "antennagate" thing. I said forget Consumer Reports, the phone works fine. The tech magazines were (and still are?) also touting the latest "iPhone killer" random Android phone, and I said nah they're paid. If I listened to them, I'd have like a Motorola DROID EpiC XX2.
> I said forget Consumer Reports, the phone works fine.
If it works for you, then it works for you. It's not the same as saying people for whom it doesn't work are motivated liars, though.