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It's also a cultural thing. 4chan is not a place where you go obsess over one particular person with aims to ruin their life. It's, as you say, a place of chaos and inanity.
Unless that person is critiquing games from a feminist perspective.
I still remember watching AS's videos and being confused as to how something so bland pissed off that many people.
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KiwiFarms members often don't just take notes of those they laugh at. They actively get involved in harassing them, online, through the phone and in person.
So was this the case for any of the people who actually committed suicide in a way that establishes a reasonable causal nexus? My impression is that the answer is "no".
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> Hosting providers MUST be forced to provide a platform for everyone and anyone against the will of the provider. It SHALL NOT matter how many people their customers brag about driving to suicide. Nor should the hosting provider take into consideration harassment campaigns orchestrated by users of their platforms. -- Stallman, probably? /endsarcasm
I want content-neutral infrastructure. KF are scum and much of what they do should be illegal, but I want those decisions made in a court of law where they can defend themselves, not by whoever got in the ear of the right tech CEO. Platforms aren't people and shouldn't have rights.
Forcing professors investing all their life into advancement of human civilization out of universities because they said a funny word? The should lose all their possessions, it's completely harmless and right, trust me!
Calling someone names and pointing out things that are glaring OPSEC mistakes? Immediately drop and do everything to attack them!
p.s.: it's very sad to see enthusiasts and prominent engineers like Marcan getting corrupted by the plague of our times.
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3 people are dead because of that site. What they were doing was a crime. Criminal activity is not is not protected free speech. That's like arguing carding and SIM swapping sites are just expressing their right to free speech and should be protected.
Whether the operators of the site are guilty of a crime is surely for the courts to determine, not for Cloudflare or Twitter's userbase.
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If they are doing something criminal, let the courts set them out with an established procedure and a a group of informed jurors instead of mob rule.
There's no mob rule. A private company decided to stop servicing that filth because it would hurt their profits. There's nothing freer than this.
There are some powers which should not be in the hands of corporate executives, this is one of them.
There are also times that it wouldn't be mob rule, those times should be shareholder rule, which is liable to be even more harmful and even less transparent.
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they doxxed a twitter user causing that user to face credible life threats and had to evacuate and go into hiding.. but they are a-okay naturally
If "go into hiding" means "not posting personally-identifiable information on the public internet", then that doesn't sound so bad. In fact, that's what I always do all the time on the internet, as should everyone.
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(I'm inferring that your comment is supporting KiwiFarms. If this is not the case, you should probably re-word it.) > salem witch trials du jour so fervently pushed by certain groups of people Hunting trans people and pushing them to suicide sounds like much more of a witch trial to me. > forcing their narrative and banning any discourse that they don't like Telling to people to kill themselves is "discourse" that we…
Supporting Kiwi Farms right to exist is not the same as supporting the content.
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He said he took down the Daily Stormer because they claimed to have friends at Cloudflare (which was true https://nitter.net/GossiTheDog/status/1565128386753843201 )
If you think screenshots of someone saying slurs in 2014 is evidence of someone being part of the daily stormer i'm afraid a lot more of the internet is a part of the daily stormer than you think. The usage of weev's the trial is also pretty absurd and manipulative, given that his trial wasn't really related to the daily stormer, but about hacking, so much so that the EFF[0] defended him. [0]: https://www.eff.org/dee…
>The usage of weev's the trial is also pretty absurd and manipulative, given that his trial wasn't really related to the daily stormer, but about hacking, so much so that the EFF[0] defended him.
Pretty sure most smart people have already distanced themselves from the EFF at this point, so that's not very convincing.
EFF, despite getting repeatedly called out by several top experts, spent years pushing downright dangerous disinformation via their "secure messaging scorecard". Not exactly a trustworthy organisation.
It was also a bizarre choice to defend weev, both from a legal and moral point of view. tptacek explained it well at the time https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5978686
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Also, DDoS is a crime. Saying racist things isn't. We shouldn't blur the line here.
Under current First Amendment jurisprudence, hate speech can only be criminalized when it directly incites imminent criminal activity or consists of specific threats of violence targeted against a person or group. Kiwi Farms absolutely incited imminent criminal activity (harassment, among other things) and made lots of specific threats against specifically targeted people and groups. This is a false equivalence.
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Non-journalistic doxxing? What makes doxxing someone journalistic and why is it okay when a journalist does it?
Documenting any of: - leader of a mafia - any government leader - billionaires in general - anyone in a position of power Investigating their crimes and doxxing them is very different from "lmao look at this piece of shit loser, let's bully it to death".
Man it really didn't take long for people to forget things like the CNN reddit kid dox or even more recent the twitter account from tiktok dox by journalists active still today.
[0]https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-use...