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US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
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Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#622Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm an engine programmer in video games on a big project - recently I'm mostly just fixing bugs. And Fable has been absolutely phenomenal in those 2 days we had it lol. It was genuinely the first time I didn't really have to reproduce a bug to fix it - Fable was able to really understand the code and interconnections between the systems to reason why it might have happened and fix it. Opus really struggles with that…
Something I wonder about in this domain is if this is the fault of the language. Game development is usually in C++ or C#. With C++, bugs are a nightmare to find. C# less so, but there are still memory leaks possible. I've been writing Rust for a few years now and it has been absolutely phenomenal. I get the performance of C++ and the only thing I think about when developing is the logic itself. There aren't any matu…
So....just from my personal experience.
When we started getting access to Claude last year, it was barely competent at C++. Like someone who read a book about C++ but never actually wrote any, or had to debug any issue. It would confidently declare things which any C++ programmer could tell you were bollocks straight away.
But....now it's able to reason about things like memory management, thread safety and second order effects when multithreading very very very well. It's honestly incredible how well it can understand C++ code and figure things out. Opus is already pretty good(although far from perfect) but Fable was just something else. I could give it a description like "It was reported that only sometimes(1/20 repro) when the user opens the inventory and closes it, they can't move the camera afterwards" and it was able to find out both the inventory camera control and input code and pinpoint the exact race condition that could lead to this situation.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#623Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure I follow your point, are you confusing espionage with IP theft? The victims are entirely different in each case, I am sure china would not restrict itself to corporate espionage.
> Not sure I follow your point, are you confusing espionage with IP theft? Espionage is IP theft. What did you think that word means?
I may have got it a little mixed up with sabotage :/
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#624So this is the other side of banning American models for non-Americans? And how exactly do they plan on enforcing all of this? Great Firewall of America? This is a complete joke. The malicious clowns behind this should be removed from power and prevented from ever holding any position of power in any form of governance system.
The same way you can't just open a bank account anonymously.
It seems inevitable to me that this is going to end up with a KYC/AML style digital online ID.
Without that you are not using Claude 10. It would not be shocking at all at some level of capability that running open source models anonymously is made a crime.
To pretend there is not huge issues with a laissez faire attitude as these models progress I think is intellectually dishonest and performative.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#625Earlier quoted context omitted.
Any text, code, image, video or audio they/anybody has ever uploaded to the public internet? Is this a real question?
How was it stolen, exactly?
I'm not interested in explaining to you something immediately evident that you clearly disagree with. If you don't feel that trillion dollar companies training commercial products on the free labor of human writers/artists/engineers/etc. without their consent or compensation isn't "stealing" you're welcome to that opinion, but I believe that's what the GP was implying.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#626Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry that you're being blamed. People have a pretty negative sentiment towards Americans in general right now because we have been watching helplessly in horror as our best friend tears things down. I have friends in blue states who didn't vote because it wouldn't have changed the outcome given the electoral college - it's unfair to blame them for not participating as they were never able to in the first place. Not…
Consider that USA's government logic is: "if we don't like a government we will kill civilians until they rebel and put a government we like". See Cuba for example. So, by their own metric, they aren't helpless at all and should appreciate other countries aren't as savage as they are with civilians, instead of complaining.
Look Worf, I'm just one human. You don't know me. You don't know what I'm doing or not doing. But I know you're making our situation worse and I know you're not living up to the ethics of your namesake
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#627Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're kinda missing the important bit there: buying Greenland under threat of invasion
I think you're kind of missing the important bit; there is no threat of invasion and there never has been. People just want reasons to be mad at Trump, and so they make things up
> there is no threat of invasion of Greenland by the USA and there never has been.
This is a dumb take. You're starting with "I don't take their threats seriously" and conflating it with "it didn't happen at all". But it did happen.
> The Trump administration threatened military action to take control of Greenland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_crisis#Annexation_th...
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#628Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not necessarily if you take immigration into account.
A society replaced by immigrants is no longer that same society. My original point still stands.
In the case of Singapore it would be just the opposite:
Singapore was and is build on the back of immigrants. Replacing ourselves with kids instead of immigrants would be the big change.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#629Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whereas a society replaced by children...
Whereas a society replaced by its own children maintains continuity of community, nation, or broad grouping of people having common traditions, institutions, and collective activities and interests
What about those societies that have traditionally replaced themselves via immigrants? Moving to a replacement via kids would be the change for them.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#630I use DeepSeek every day (via VSCode Insiders and Zed Editor). It's very affordable and, while it's slightly behind Claude (not sure how far behind Fable), it suits my working style well. I'm not using unsupervised multi-agent workflows and don't need a library of skills files - I'm writing most of the code and leaning on AI to help with mundane tasks - like; - generating types for APIs - generating boilerplate based…
Developers claiming their valuable data was “stolen” to train models is so dramatic.
Companies that claim downloading their shit is theft are so dramatic. Although the consequences are different. Your "argument" is immature.