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Text autocomplete can write code, carry out actions (tool calls) and launch cyber attacks. It very much is a matter of national security.
You're actually delusional if you think cyber capabilities of nation states have increased by the development of llms..
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do you have evidence that if they wanted to do that they would not be giving orders to European or American engineers? as I said, financial fictions don't matter in matters such as these. if you have evidence that they have Chinese nationals working as engineers without oversight, you should submit it to the government.
“Give us the signing keys to the software update servers.” “No.” You really think that’s how that conversation would go?
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“Give us the signing keys to the software update servers.” “No.” You really think that’s how that conversation would go?
no. first you need to design the pathway by which control of the computers will allow overriding control over all the relevant control surfaces, something Tesla for example doesn't do. for that you need engineers collaborating all along.
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A society replaced by immigrants is no longer that same society. My original point still stands.
Whereas a society replaced by children...
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You absolutely should remember the Chinese war with the first of those; if you have trouble, a good way to remind yourself is that it was not long after the US one.
Yeah, so getting 1 out of 10 he mentioned, even if it's their direct neighbor (where disputes happen for all countries), ain't bad! This absolutely means they're the same /s
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#596I use DeepSeek every day (via VSCode Insiders and Zed Editor). It's very affordable and, while it's slightly behind Claude (not sure how far behind Fable), it suits my working style well. I'm not using unsupervised multi-agent workflows and don't need a library of skills files - I'm writing most of the code and leaning on AI to help with mundane tasks - like; - generating types for APIs - generating boilerplate based…
> US companies already stole scores of data to train their models on and it's hard to imagine they suddenly grew some integrity. Can you be specific about what data of yours were stolen by who?
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no. first you need to design the pathway by which control of the computers will allow overriding control over all the relevant control surfaces, something Tesla for example doesn't do. for that you need engineers collaborating all along.
I don't understand what you mean. I assumed the scenario was the manufacturer bricking the car, starting it on fire, or making it crash. Bricking is pretty obviously trivial. Starting it on fire would require changes to the battery, motor, or charger firmware, no big deal. Making it crash requires control over steering, motor, and brakes, which any car with modern driver assist features already has. What part of this…
> What part of this would a Tesla, or any other car, not be able to do?
Tesla computers are not capable of maintaining steering control when the user is physically moving the steering wheel. does BYD have similar restrictions? can you trust them?this discussion has reached the limit of its usefulness. if you aren't able to see why having nationals in an adversary nation be in control of dangerous hardware on your soil is a big problem, nothing will aid you in understanding this.
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In terms of price-to-productivity, nothing will beat DeepSeek right now. For what you have described, all of the existing frontier models will perform well (probably about the same even). If you expanded the list to very hard research tasks, Fable was so far ahead of the others that it doesn't even deserve debate. If you are a researcher doing something involving scientific computation or mathematics that wasn't reje…
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Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#599I use DeepSeek every day (via VSCode Insiders and Zed Editor). It's very affordable and, while it's slightly behind Claude (not sure how far behind Fable), it suits my working style well. I'm not using unsupervised multi-agent workflows and don't need a library of skills files - I'm writing most of the code and leaning on AI to help with mundane tasks - like; - generating types for APIs - generating boilerplate based…
> As an Australian, I'm not sure that I care about the safety of my data when it comes to LLMs. US companies already stole scores of data I'm not sure I understand this. I'm not defending the US, but isn't your data being in more hands worse? Also, isn't Australia in a more contentious situation with China? Them being more allied with the US and all? Not to mention the whole nuclear sub issue. Having data stolen is s…
China does not run 'rendition flights' to kidnap other countries' citizens and hold them in gitmo style prisons for decades. China cannot compel and does not compel random countries to extradite foreign citizens to China to persecute them and lock them up. Guess who does.
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Using laws to ban competitors is just economic warfare thats all. Its got nothing to do with "national security", thats just the reason they give us normies. You should be safe in Australia since they actually need to be friends with China.
> Using laws to ban competitors is just economic warfare thats all. Its got nothing to do with "national security" Economic safety is 1 angle of national security. They're not "wrong".