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70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

ergocoder wrote: post #18
burlesona wrote: post #2

I feel like this experience is so common it’s almost cliche, but I ended up moving with my family out of the city in mid 2020 mostly due to the major influx of homeless into our neighborhood, which had very little before. I didn’t like my kids facing that every time we walked to the park or the grocery store. There was also a rise in petty crime that made the neighborhood feel a lot less safe. It’s a tough situation.…

Petty and non-violent crime is only petty and non-violent because the victims don't fight back. I don't know what the solution is, but calling these petty/non-violent feels like an unfair take. A victim is often traumatized about this kind of experiences, but that is never taken into account. I feel San Francisco is such a screwed up place. But many would disagree with me. I don't live there anymore, but it seems peo…

i dont understand you at all - chesa boudin is in favor of letting all the "non violent" criminals you mention , to avoid jail time and prosecution.

He's more of the same SF lawyer we had for decades , but on steroids? What is expected to change exactly?

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by pmalynin »

dougmwne wrote: post #44

I am currently in Warsaw. I have lived in SF. The quality of life is astoundingly different. There nearly zero visible homelessness people. There are low levels of crime and none visible. There are hardly any murders or gun crime. Not much property crime. There are quite a lot of police, but no brutality that I have heard of. I feel safe walking around at night. People have health care, higher education, and employee…

And how about religious freedoms, reproductive rights and the feelings about LGBTQ folks?

To add a little bit of context to the folks bellow: I actually am from Eastern Europe and consider myself rather lucky to have escaped it to Canada and the US. If you’re a good an American straight white male, with a lot of dollars then yea of course you’re going to have a pretty good time. But let’s not trivialize the issues here. For some people the trade-off for freedoms might very well be worth, but it isn’t for me and for quite a bit of folks that I know personally. For all it’s warts, San Francisco still continues to attract people, and a part of it is it’s tolerance to all kinds of behaviors. In conclusion, I don’t like it when people only talk about the the few good things about a country / city / state and ignore all the other, less talked about things. Let’s not pretend Poland is some kind of paradise.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by wyager »

foobar33333 wrote: post #42
ivalm wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except the issue is that there is a tragedy of commons, as SF increases resources for homeless more and more homeless flock to the city thus requiring ever increasing amount of resources. I am honestly not sure what to do other than support more nationwide solutions.

Most places deal with this via border restrictions. One country with better welfare does not allow themselves to be flooded with people from other countries. This problem can not be solved by one city without the ability to restrict movement.

It's going to be interesting to see earnest social welfare advocates and earnest open borders advocates realize that their beliefs are totally incompatible. Of course, right now, most of the politicians successfully selling those policies don't really care about either at a deep level.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by astrange »

techrat wrote: post #17
underseacables wrote: post #6

This is interesting given the protests. As I understand it, San Francisco is generally considered to be a very liberal and progressive city. The politicians are generally considered to be very liberal and progressive. These are the same groups, however, that want to defund the police. I don’t get it. You can want both police reform, and policing, but without the police there’s not really anyone capable, trained, or j…

What's not to get? https://i.imgur.com/8xlOIW9.png The whole point of defunding the police is to get the funding back to where it belongs. https://citymonitor.ai/government/the-reality-of-us-city-bud... - The reality of US city budgets: Police funding eclipses most other agencies’

These comics (and the ones suggesting "defunding police" will lead to school funding) are essentially a trick because 1. reducing police funding won't lead to money going to those other places 2. half those things are done under the police department 3. the other half are much more expensive than police funding.

Affordable housing is a notable case of the last one, it's very very expensive to build in SF and nobody actually wants it. The reason people dislike "luxury housing" is that it actually exists, so they want "affordable housing" because they know it won't happen. When it actually shows up, they oppose it too.

It does demonstrate that anything presented in cartoon form is probably false, because the people drawing cartoons are not specialists in whatever the topic is. Basically Gell-Mann Amnesia.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by ceejayoz »

decremental wrote: post #58
ceejayoz wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this logic apply to policing, too? > crime was lower before the defund movements Remind me, did anything else happen in 2020 that might have had an impact on crime?

Good point. The rioting encouraged by politicians and the media happened in 2020.

Anything else happen that year?

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by ergocoder »

wyager wrote: post #40
ergocoder wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Petty and non-violent crime is only petty and non-violent because the victims don't fight back. I don't know what the solution is, but calling these petty/non-violent feels like an unfair take. A victim is often traumatized about this kind of experiences, but that is never taken into account. I feel San Francisco is such a screwed up place. But many would disagree with me. I don't live there anymore, but it seems peo…

I personally would be terrified to stop a thief in CA, because I suspect that the way CA laws are written, I would be crucified in court for daring to defend property, and most likely I would end up with an assault conviction or something. I'd be hesitant to take that risk even for my own property.

It isn't worth it.

I wouldn't intervene if my stuff isn't like 1M USD or something.

Spending time going to court justifying whether you use the exact appropriate amount of force to stop the incident (who would have time to think that through??) is just really wasteful and psychologically damaging.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by m_ke »

pmalynin wrote: post #62
dougmwne wrote: post #44

I am currently in Warsaw. I have lived in SF. The quality of life is astoundingly different. There nearly zero visible homelessness people. There are low levels of crime and none visible. There are hardly any murders or gun crime. Not much property crime. There are quite a lot of police, but no brutality that I have heard of. I feel safe walking around at night. People have health care, higher education, and employee…

And how about religious freedoms, reproductive rights and the feelings about LGBTQ folks? To add a little bit of context to the folks bellow: I actually am from Eastern Europe and consider myself rather lucky to have escaped it to Canada and the US. If you’re a good an American straight white male, with a lot of dollars then yea of course you’re going to have a pretty good time. But let’s not trivialize the issues he…

It's not an issue in Warsaw and most other major cities.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by towergratis »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #4

I wonder what percentage of residents support the tax increases necessary to provide such services.

> I wonder what percentage of residents support the tax increases necessary to provide such services.

Straw man fallacy. Why do you jump to the conclusion that the problem is financial. SF is among the top 5 richest cities in US.

You really have to prove that the problem is financing, before you make the argument you made.

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Post by abystander »

chrisseaton wrote: post #43
flatiron wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes there is no direct victim. Whose the direct victim of public urination or jay walking? I’m not saying they should be legal it’s just nobody really gets traumatized if someone crosses the street without right of way.

The whole idea of jaywalking is just absolutely bonkers. Imaging making crossing the road a crime.

By that logic, re: outlawing speeding: "imagine making driving a crime."
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