Used to walk to the office in SF. No more.
70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll
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Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll
#22Chesa Boudin was elected in November 2019 on a progressive platform centered on ending mass incarceration. DA Boudin personally understands the impact of incarceration; both of his parents were incarcerated (for Murder) throughout his childhood and his father is still in prison.
San Francisco residents deserve to reap the fruits of their Prophet.
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#23Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll
#24This is interesting given the protests. As I understand it, San Francisco is generally considered to be a very liberal and progressive city. The politicians are generally considered to be very liberal and progressive. These are the same groups, however, that want to defund the police. I don’t get it. You can want both police reform, and policing, but without the police there’s not really anyone capable, trained, or j…
Police reform does not mean the police should not exist. It means the police should be reformed. So that is a strawman argument.
Equating police reform with being anti-police plays right into propaganda.
Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Petty and non-violent crime is only petty and non-violent because the victims don't fight back. I don't know what the solution is, but calling these petty/non-violent feels like an unfair take. A victim is often traumatized about this kind of experiences, but that is never taken into account. I feel San Francisco is such a screwed up place. But many would disagree with me. I don't live there anymore, but it seems peo…
Sometimes there is no direct victim. Whose the direct victim of public urination or jay walking? I’m not saying they should be legal it’s just nobody really gets traumatized if someone crosses the street without right of way.
We talked about different kind of crimes.
For example, the Walgreen robbing incident is a non-violent crime because nobody confronted the thieves.
I have no idea if breaking car window is considered a violent crime.
Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could you be a bit more specific about what you mean? By itself, that drive-by comment doesn't tell us much...
Well, a quick Google search brings this up from Wikipedia: Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media is a 1988 book by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. It argues that the mass communication media of the U.S. "are effective and powerful ideological institutions that carry out a system-supportive propaganda function, by reliance on market forces, internalized assumptions, and self-censorship, and…
Yeah, I read that book, and have it on my shelves, and it has not a single fucking thing to do with the issue in this thread.
Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except the issue is that there is a tragedy of commons, as SF increases resources for homeless more and more homeless flock to the city thus requiring ever increasing amount of resources. I am honestly not sure what to do other than support more nationwide solutions.
Did this happen in Portland? I can’t put my finger on it but I seem to recall something about how Portland’s public assistance largess had become a beacon for people across the country to go to Portland to take it advantage of that. Thus increasing the number of people needing those services, and causing the friction.
There was a discussion today on NPR about Venice Beach and how they're providing housing to those living on/near the pier so people are migrating up from other neighborhoods to take advantage. It's only a couple hundred people total but it's still an interesting experiment.
Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll
#28This is interesting given the protests. As I understand it, San Francisco is generally considered to be a very liberal and progressive city. The politicians are generally considered to be very liberal and progressive. These are the same groups, however, that want to defund the police. I don’t get it. You can want both police reform, and policing, but without the police there’s not really anyone capable, trained, or j…
You're mixing issues. The homelessness problem has been growing for the last 15 years (I mean, before that too, but I remember never being shocked in the early 2000s like I always am today), whereas the "Defund" thing is only in the last year. The homelessness crisis is not caused by a lack of police enforcement.
True, but lack of police enforcement has led to greater numbers of homeless people acting without worry, setting up camps, pooping in the streets, vandalism, assault, robbery, etc. Greater police presence is an excellent deterrent for homeless misbehavior and crime. Otherwise there is no limitation on what those unhoused persons can do, thus exacerbating the problem. It may not have caused it, but the lack of police is certainly not helping it
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Petty and non-violent crime is only petty and non-violent because the victims don't fight back. I don't know what the solution is, but calling these petty/non-violent feels like an unfair take. A victim is often traumatized about this kind of experiences, but that is never taken into account. I feel San Francisco is such a screwed up place. But many would disagree with me. I don't live there anymore, but it seems peo…
Sometimes there is no direct victim. Whose the direct victim of public urination or jay walking? I’m not saying they should be legal it’s just nobody really gets traumatized if someone crosses the street without right of way.
Jaywalking is one thing but public urination victimizes everyone who is near the area.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's not to get? https://i.imgur.com/8xlOIW9.png The whole point of defunding the police is to get the funding back to where it belongs. https://citymonitor.ai/government/the-reality-of-us-city-bud... - The reality of US city budgets: Police funding eclipses most other agencies’
There has already been extensive spending in these areas and what do we have to show for it? EDIT: While there's many factors that drive crime, crime was lower before the defund movements.
Does this logic apply to policing, too?
> crime was lower before the defund movements
Remind me, did anything else happen in 2020 that might have had an impact on crime?