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70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by NeverFade »

ergocoder wrote: post #25
flatiron wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes there is no direct victim. Whose the direct victim of public urination or jay walking? I’m not saying they should be legal it’s just nobody really gets traumatized if someone crosses the street without right of way.

We talked about different kind of crimes. For example, the Walgreen robbing incident is a non-violent crime because nobody confronted the thieves. I have no idea if breaking car window is considered a violent crime.

Shoplifting to that extent - pouring the contents of several shelves into a garbage bag and taking off - threatens the sustainability of businesses.

All these crimes have victims.

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Post by foobar33333 »

ivalm wrote: post #7
AussieWog93 wrote: post #4

I wonder what percentage of residents support the tax increases necessary to provide such services.

Except the issue is that there is a tragedy of commons, as SF increases resources for homeless more and more homeless flock to the city thus requiring ever increasing amount of resources. I am honestly not sure what to do other than support more nationwide solutions.

Most places deal with this via border restrictions. One country with better welfare does not allow themselves to be flooded with people from other countries. This problem can not be solved by one city without the ability to restrict movement.

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Post by chrisseaton »

flatiron wrote: post #20
ergocoder wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Petty and non-violent crime is only petty and non-violent because the victims don't fight back. I don't know what the solution is, but calling these petty/non-violent feels like an unfair take. A victim is often traumatized about this kind of experiences, but that is never taken into account. I feel San Francisco is such a screwed up place. But many would disagree with me. I don't live there anymore, but it seems peo…

Sometimes there is no direct victim. Whose the direct victim of public urination or jay walking? I’m not saying they should be legal it’s just nobody really gets traumatized if someone crosses the street without right of way.

The whole idea of jaywalking is just absolutely bonkers. Imaging making crossing the road a crime.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by dougmwne »

I am currently in Warsaw. I have lived in SF. The quality of life is astoundingly different. There nearly zero visible homelessness people. There are low levels of crime and none visible. There are hardly any murders or gun crime. Not much property crime. There are quite a lot of police, but no brutality that I have heard of. I feel safe walking around at night. People have health care, higher education, and employees have strong legal protections with sane working hours. Taxes are reasonable. There's a good tech job market.

As I was leaving SF, I watched a homeless man with no teeth pick a morsel of food out of the gutter and eat it.

I am not sure if it's a case of boiling the frog, but trust me when I say that SF has an absolutely shameful inability to solve it's problems and that a city that was no more than a crater 70 years ago absolutely shines in comparison. I would not believe it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by taylorlapeyre »

I'll share my experience as a proud SF resident of 6 years. The quality of life here decreased dramatically through 2020 for obvious reasons. Now, it seems like the city is much more alive. Restaurants, bars, etc are all open, parks are packed. The weather is still great. My coworkers are moving back to the Bay Area now, and we're all very excited to get to hang out again. Overall I'm much happier now than I was 6 months ago.

That being said, the most upsetting thing has been the loss of my friends who have left SF over the last year and a half to move other places. Losing your friends and community is much worse than losing a coffee shop. This is, to me, the biggest downside of SF: it's a temporary stopover for most people, and your roots will always be lain in thin soil.

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Post by josephcsible »

NeverFade wrote: post #41
ergocoder wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We talked about different kind of crimes. For example, the Walgreen robbing incident is a non-violent crime because nobody confronted the thieves. I have no idea if breaking car window is considered a violent crime.

Shoplifting to that extent - pouring the contents of several shelves into a garbage bag and taking off - threatens the sustainability of businesses. All these crimes have victims.

A crime can be non-violent without also being victimless.

Re: 70% of San Francisco residents say quality of life has declined: poll

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Post by NeverFade »

Google234 wrote: post #31

It would be nice if they voted in new people (read: republicans) based on this. I think the city would be improved with some different ideas in government.

Will never happen. SFers will keep voting for the wokest candidates, then quietly skip town when the expected consequences of woke policies arrive.

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Post by techrat »

Justin_K wrote: post #19
techrat wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's not to get? https://i.imgur.com/8xlOIW9.png The whole point of defunding the police is to get the funding back to where it belongs. https://citymonitor.ai/government/the-reality-of-us-city-bud... - The reality of US city budgets: Police funding eclipses most other agencies’

There has already been extensive spending in these areas and what do we have to show for it? EDIT: While there's many factors that drive crime, crime was lower before the defund movements.

https://citymonitor.ai/government/the-reality-of-us-city-bud...

Compare with:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/19/alexandria-k...

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Post by mnouquet »

burlesona wrote: post #2

I feel like this experience is so common it’s almost cliche, but I ended up moving with my family out of the city in mid 2020 mostly due to the major influx of homeless into our neighborhood, which had very little before. I didn’t like my kids facing that every time we walked to the park or the grocery store. There was also a rise in petty crime that made the neighborhood feel a lot less safe. It’s a tough situation.…

> I didn’t like my kids facing that every time we walked to the park or the grocery store.

Be careful, such thinking is very frowned upon around here...

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