New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects • Hacker News Board

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by 908B64B197 » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #19

api wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. This is what happens when you're run by bean counters who don't understand your core business or industry.

In the same/similar vein it never ceases to amaze me how employers don't provide their employees with the best tools possible (within reason) to do their jobs. A company will give a developer a low/mid-range laptop/desktop pinching every penny they can then turn around any pay them a huge salary... Like do they not understand that running into RAM/CPU limits makes the developer less effective? I've had jobs where I'v…

I guess management has never been anywhere close to Palo Alto.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by phkahler » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:56 PM UTC

95014_refugee wrote: post #42

clubdorothe wrote: post #4

They've probably lost[1] few months ago their most talented chips engineer, Jim Keller[2]. Ironically, Jim suggested to outsource the manufacturing of their chips, what the new CEO just did [3]. [1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/15846/jim-keller-resigns-from... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Keller_(engineer) [3] https://www.extremetech.com/computing/319301-report-intel-wi...

“Losing” Keller is a net win. Hinton, OTOH, is the real deal. I had the privilege of spending some time with him and the gang back in the Nehalem days. Hinton and Keller don’t belong in the same conversation.

Wow that's harsh. Is it a personality difference or technical knowledge, or something else that makes you say that? I'm curious, I dont know either of them.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by mc32 » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9

This is an encouraging move. My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. I've been part of a similar downhill slide at a smaller company in the billion dollar revenue range. To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more…

Hopefully they also consider current engineers and harmonize their compensation too, else people will have reason to hold a grudge because it would prove the only way to get fair compensation is to play the game and accelerate turnover.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by tgtweak » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:57 PM UTC

fbn79 wrote: post #37

Wikipedia tell that Gelsinger is the cofounder of "Transforming the Bay with Christ" group. So the right person because Intel need a miracle to keepup with competitors

Divine intervention is required to put things on the right path. Hopefully this happens for the sake of consumers getting some innovation.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by speby » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9

This is an encouraging move. My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. I've been part of a similar downhill slide at a smaller company in the billion dollar revenue range. To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more…

> To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more than they are, the pressure to reduce engineering compensation is strong.

Unfortunately, this feels all too true. I believe this kind of mental bias trap is true and widespread.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by dyingkneepad » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

abledon wrote: post #39

joshstrange wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the same/similar vein it never ceases to amaze me how employers don't provide their employees with the best tools possible (within reason) to do their jobs. A company will give a developer a low/mid-range laptop/desktop pinching every penny they can then turn around any pay them a huge salary... Like do they not understand that running into RAM/CPU limits makes the developer less effective? I've had jobs where I'v…

my 'git status' command takes 6 seconds around 2pm-4pm when internal network traffic is high... go figure. (i use this cmd a lot!)

git status is not supposed to use the network, unless you're running it on an networked file system

Have you tried running git gc (maybe --aggressive) and similar commands?

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by joshstrange » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:58 PM UTC

Pasorrijer wrote: post #48

joshstrange wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the same/similar vein it never ceases to amaze me how employers don't provide their employees with the best tools possible (within reason) to do their jobs. A company will give a developer a low/mid-range laptop/desktop pinching every penny they can then turn around any pay them a huge salary... Like do they not understand that running into RAM/CPU limits makes the developer less effective? I've had jobs where I'v…

Oh man, this. I remember I worked at a major defence contractor, and we absolutely bombed, like failed through the floor an employee satisfaction survey. And when the VP finally sat down with people they expressed how shitty the computers had gotten. And he's like wait a second. No one ever told me this. I can solve 90% of my morale problems by writing a cheque for like $200k?!? It was astounding how large the discon…

All my experiences around this have pounded into my brain that if I ever run my company or if I am an executive I will do everything in my power to make sure all the employees under me have the best tools to do their job. Labor is one of the most expensive costs, not empowering your employees to be the best they can be is just stupid and wasteful.

My dad ran a software consulting company eons ago and he had a new programmer start but he didn't have a laptop so my dad took him to Best Buy (that's where you bought computers back then) and told him to pick out a laptop. They guy picked one and my dad was like "How about this one, isn't it better?" and the guy said "Yeah, but it's more expensive". My dad bought the better laptop and gave it to the guy and told him it was his now (as in not the companies). That guy was over the moon and my dad told me that it was the best money he ever spent. Not only did he effectively "buy" a ton of loyalty with that move but he would make up the cost of the laptop in a week or so off that programmer alone (difference between what he paid the employee and what he billed them out at).

I also remember going to Sam's Club with my dad to buy snacks for the office. He kept snacks, candy, drinks, etc well stocked at all times and told his employees they could have as much as they wanted, no limits. Happy employees are productive employees, why more people don't get that I'll never know...

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by STRML » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:59 PM UTC

abledon wrote: post #39

joshstrange wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the same/similar vein it never ceases to amaze me how employers don't provide their employees with the best tools possible (within reason) to do their jobs. A company will give a developer a low/mid-range laptop/desktop pinching every penny they can then turn around any pay them a huge salary... Like do they not understand that running into RAM/CPU limits makes the developer less effective? I've had jobs where I'v…

my 'git status' command takes 6 seconds around 2pm-4pm when internal network traffic is high... go figure. (i use this cmd a lot!)

How? That command doesn't even hit the network...

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by arwhatever » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:59 PM UTC

langitbiru wrote: post #25

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9

This is an encouraging move. My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. I've been part of a similar downhill slide at a smaller company in the billion dollar revenue range. To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more…

Reading all comments grilling MBAs in HN is one of my guilty pleasures. I think I need to collect them all and put them in one place.

Put all the MBAs in one place, or put all the HN comments in one place? :-)

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by mikewarot » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:59 PM UTC

jtsiskin wrote: post #47

mikewarot wrote: post #36

If he's going to focus on maximizing threads instead of performance per thread, they'll come out on top. The race to make a single instruction thread move ever faster has obviously hit its limits as the main driver of overall compute performance. If they keep pushing the old model of ever more GHz, they'll fail.

That depends on if developers can be convinced to actually use multiple threads...

You seem to assume there is a choice to be had, but the lawys of physics say otherwise The single thread Von Neuman model is almost out of steam. The costs to push this model 2x faster are likely to break Intel.

Concurrent programming, like it or not, is the future.