New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects • Hacker News Board

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by dehrmann » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

john_alan wrote: post #2

Good! Intel need Engineers back at the helm. Too long it was run by bean-counters. I'm not a big fan of Intel, but this type of news makes for exciting possibilities from Intel again. Though the performance per watt of the M1 I type this on, is going to take some beating.

I agree that you need someone with a strong engineering background somewhere in leadership. Bean counters are useful when you're more interested in efficiencies than innovation. Even when you're interested in innovation, don't discount MBA-types too much. Look at Sun. They had a lot of interesting engineering going on, but they got displaced by commodity hardware and software, never really found their new business, and got gobbled up by Oracle so their bean counters could extract licensing fees.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9

This is an encouraging move. My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. I've been part of a similar downhill slide at a smaller company in the billion dollar revenue range. To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more…

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Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by HelloNurse » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

_the_inflator wrote: post #21

I like it when the old gang comes together and blends with new talent.

On the other hand, returning veterans could have a strong demotivational effect on current talent. If the company doesn't believe in me, why should I stay?

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by radlad » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

alisonkisk wrote: post #27

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9

This is an encouraging move. My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. I've been part of a similar downhill slide at a smaller company in the billion dollar revenue range. To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more…

Steve Jobs, already legendary for avoiding paying engineers for their contributions, organized an industry-wide cartel to hold down wages, and he never had an MBA. It's a bad leadership thing, not an MBA thing.

And yet Apple is the world's most valuable company.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by DelightOne » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

treeman79 wrote: post #26

joshstrange wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the same/similar vein it never ceases to amaze me how employers don't provide their employees with the best tools possible (within reason) to do their jobs. A company will give a developer a low/mid-range laptop/desktop pinching every penny they can then turn around any pay them a huge salary... Like do they not understand that running into RAM/CPU limits makes the developer less effective? I've had jobs where I'v…

Mine gave me a top of the line MacBook Pro, fully loaded. Then loaded so much security crap on it that all cores are maxed out without me even touching machine. Base vim nearly unusable. Then they made it so I could only access things via a double Remote Desktop tunnel. Basically an expensive space heater. 3 months of nothing done until security software suffered an unfortunate accident.

> suffered an unfortunate accident

scheduled or unscheduled?

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by mikewarot » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

If he's going to focus on maximizing threads instead of performance per thread, they'll come out on top. The race to make a single instruction thread move ever faster has obviously hit its limits as the main driver of overall compute performance.

If they keep pushing the old model of ever more GHz, they'll fail.

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by fbn79 » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

Wikipedia tell that Gelsinger is the cofounder of "Transforming the Bay with Christ" group. So the right person because Intel need a miracle to keepup with competitors

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by klelatti » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:37 PM UTC

IanCutress wrote: post #24

ItsTotallyOn wrote: post #7

Except he didn't re-hire him. As noted in the article itself, the architect was already in negotiations since November. Also, new CEO doesn't step in until next month. Clickbait title.

The effect of Gelsinger taking the CEO role pushed a hire that was on the fence into accepting the role. It means he's having an affect already. That's what the title is meant to convey.

Making waves = 1 individual rejoining (who may have done so anyway)

Gelsinger not doing the rehiring

Architects = 1 architect

Three ways in which the headline is misleading.

How about 'New CEO helps recruit retired architect'

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by abledon » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:37 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #19

api wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. This is what happens when you're run by bean counters who don't understand your core business or industry.

In the same/similar vein it never ceases to amaze me how employers don't provide their employees with the best tools possible (within reason) to do their jobs. A company will give a developer a low/mid-range laptop/desktop pinching every penny they can then turn around any pay them a huge salary... Like do they not understand that running into RAM/CPU limits makes the developer less effective? I've had jobs where I'v…

my 'git status' command takes 6 seconds around 2pm-4pm when internal network traffic is high... go figure.

(i use this cmd a lot!)

Re: New Intel CEO rehiring retired CPU architects

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Post by S_A_P » Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 5:38 PM UTC

alisonkisk wrote: post #27

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #9

This is an encouraging move. My secondhand understanding was that Intel was losing top talent due to pressure to pay closer to median industry compensation. Top engineers recognized they were underpaid and left the company. I've been part of a similar downhill slide at a smaller company in the billion dollar revenue range. To be blunt, once the [mediocre] MBAs start realizing that the engineers are getting paid more…

Steve Jobs, already legendary for avoiding paying engineers for their contributions, organized an industry-wide cartel to hold down wages, and he never had an MBA. It's a bad leadership thing, not an MBA thing.

Its not not an MBA thing either. Sure its fun to dump on MBAs as being ruthless, careless and thinking of resources as replaceable widgets. To some degree you are right in that bad leadership will make these sorts of short sighted decisions, but Ive met enough MBAs to think that that masters degree is a shortcut to being a "good" manager.