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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by thamer »

Anon1096 wrote: post #545
mzs wrote: post #508

>Anyone who buys an Apple phone is apparently a user. Apparently they know what is best for you by telling you which apps you may and may not use. Apparently they believe Parler is responsible for ALL user generated content on Parler. Therefor by the same logic, Apple must be responsible for ALL actions taken by their phones. Every car bomb, every illegal cell phone conversation, every illegal crime committed on an i…

That sounds exactly correct to me. Apple isn't policing content on Twitter. It isn't policing content on Facebook. It isn't policing content on Reddit. And it most certainly isn't policing content on iMessage.

Twitter and Facebook (combined) have tens of thousands of employees moderating content and threats of violence lead to bans on these platforms, but not on Parler. The difference is pretty clear and it has nothing to do with Apple policing content themselves.

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Post by koolba »

He also posted from the @potus account and Twitter immediately deleted the tweets. In case you missed it (because it was only up for a minute):

> As I have been saying for a long time, Twitter has gone further and further in banning free speech, and tonight, Twitter employees have coordinated with the Democrats and the Radical Left in removing my account from their platform, to silence me — and YOU, the 75,000,000 great...

> ...patriots who voted for me. Twitter may be a private company, but without the government’s gift of Section 230 they would not exist for long. I predicted this would happen. We have been negotiating with various other sites, and will have a big announcement soon, while we...

> ...also look at the possibilities of building out our own platform in the near future. We will not be SILENCED! Twitter is not about FREE SPEECH. They are all about promoting a Radical Left platform where some of the most vicious people in the world are allowed to speak freely...

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by ssalazar »

RspecMAuthortah wrote: post #260
caconym_ wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

But the thing with these sweeping generalizations of "them" as being violent and damaging is - who gets to define what is violent and damaging? Glenn Greenwald, who I respect a lot and was instrumental in breaking the mass surveillance in US by intelligence agencies recently spoke about these very issue: " My insistence that we look at the other side of the ledger — the costs and dangers not only from such attacks bu…

> who gets to define what is violent and damaging?

"They" are literally the ones attacking and threatening the seat of American government. This isn't a thought experiment at this point.

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Post by caconym_ »

zests wrote: post #439
caconym_ wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

How do you decide which of the violent and/or damaging speeches to deplatform? I see nothing done except “use tribalism to decide.”

> I see nothing done except “use tribalism to decide.”

I disagree. You don't need tribalism, for instance, to see that somebody spreading lies and conspiracy theories in a transparent attempt to undermine confidence in our elections is going to do an immense amount of damage to the institutions of our democracy if he isn't muzzled.

We have to remember that truth is real, that people can act in good faith, and simply do the best we can. Perfect is the enemy of good enough.

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Post by gamblor956 »

lenkite wrote: post #574
gamblor956 wrote: post #564

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Cite even one example of a BLM leader explicitly (or even implicitly) calling for violence, arson, and looting. Go ahead, I'll wait. You won't find anyone, because it didn't happen. OTOH, the Proud Boys did explicitly call for violence, arson, and looting during the BLM rights, and their leader admitted as much in a live television interview.

What ? There are dozens of such videos. Do your own research please. This stuff never make it to NYT/CNBC/Liberal media btw. https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1299930096472657920 https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-leader-if-change-doesnt-ha... https://therightscoop.com/portland-black-lives-matter-leader... Regarding whites should be "wiped out" https://www.dailywire.com/news/blm-leader-says-whites-sub-hu... Blac…

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway3699 wrote: post #57
ohgodplsno wrote: post #27

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Parler is incapable and unwilling to moderate nazis, white supremacists and terrorists. Worse, they thrive on those users. First they came for the nazis, and I didn't say anything because, well, fuck nazis. Then end.

If a society can't cope with people converting to Nazism because they read something on Facebook, I don't believe it's worthy of continuing.

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Post by eyelidlessness »

rendang wrote: post #565
eyelidlessness wrote: post #485

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> Are against open borders? Then you’re a racist. An infinitesimal part of the population and debate around border/immigration policy favors open borders. The framing of anything remotely mainstream as “open borders” definitely strikes me as a likely sign of racism. > Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. Yes. This is correct. > Are for a pro worker visa policy and tariffs on imports? Then you’re a national…

Declining to enforce the borders by deporting those not authorized to be here is de facto pretty similar to "open borders".

Yes, of course, the only possible expression of border control is absolute, and the only measure available is to treat people who have crossed the same as people who haven’t.

For what it’s worth I’m much closer to an open border advocate than the vast majority of the liberal-left spectrum, and it’s frankly absurd that the right’s take on this is “trump’s bigger detention camps and more aggressive policy means all the others literally didn’t exist even if they were basically his prototype”, when what he effectively did was add malice and lack of humanity to existing policy.

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Post by hartator »

caconym_ wrote: post #191
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

70 people died because of the BLM riots and they are not getting deplatformed.

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Post by atypicaluser »

caconym_ wrote: post #191
nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

OP writes:

> We just assume we're right.

And you follow up by proving just how right he is. First you dehumanize your political opponents--"If a rabid cougar gets loose..."--then you tell us what we need to do--"we take whatever measures we have to to get rid of it for the greater good of society."

And you claim it's the other side's speech that "is violent and damaging"?

P.S. At the time of this reply, it's not the current POTUS calling a sitting US Senator a "Goebbels". Care to guess where this is going?

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Post by dmcclurg »

LetsPlayNice wrote: post #516
nicbou wrote: post #153

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Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

I appreciate your honesty and I will attempt to explain, briefly, so you might understand better. 1. Most people on the right are against abortion for the reason that it is against their particular religion, which declares it as murder and murder is wrong. But, the others don't care at all about a woman's right to choose, they just don't want their tax dollars paying for that choice instead of other things they want.…

All I see are people listening. Scores of legal professionals, attorneys, and judges have read through thousands of pages of serious arguments made by the right. Election officials have burned the midnight oil over and over again searching for issues after listening to complaints from the right. Journalists have spent countless hours chasing down people to listen to, only to find deception. After all of this listening, all we ever seem to find is deception. If the right doesn’t change their tune, then all the listeners can do is see them as a group he’ll bent on deception. You make your bed, and you sleep in it. Period.
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