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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by spoonjim » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:06 AM UTC

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #468

spoonjim wrote: post #379

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No, it's not surprising that they explode in unpredictable ways. That's why you need the tanks and the guns for when they do, not just let them run roughshod over the basic concept of fact-based reality.

>That's why you need the tanks and the guns for when they do, not just let them run roughshod over the basic concept of fact-based reality. I wonder if you spent the summer complaining about police militarization? Fact-based reality... IDK man. How would you ever know? The number of upvotes you get on your post?

I did not spend the summer complaining about police militarization. I also believe that every single murderer should be executed (do not confuse that with "every single person convicted of first-degree murder.")

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by Ancapistani » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:07 AM UTC

lanstin wrote: post #479

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For what it is worth, the vast majority of those who would be labeled as “far right” here on HN see Fox News as part of the problem, not a source of truth.

Much more so since the election.

As a rule, the further from centrist the person lies, the longer they have been disillusioned with Fox News.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by Sophistifunk » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:08 AM UTC

Don't people realise that the winds will change, and the censorship machine will be working against their cause next?

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Post by vbezhenar » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:08 AM UTC

cabaalis wrote: post #392

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I think so. I think we will see more investment in progressive web apps for mobile.

Sure. And then political pressure on CAs to deny certificates will take care of that. Or on ISPs to not transmit data from certain outlets. Or on registrars to delist domains. There's plenty of ways to de-platform.

Register in .ru and use VPN. That’s what we do on the other side of the globe to escape censorship.

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Post by eyelidlessness » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:09 AM UTC

koolba wrote: post #399

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

They’ve been shifting the Overton window for years. Are against open borders? Then you’re a racist. Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. Are for a pro worker visa policy and tariffs on imports? Then you’re a nationalist (which isn’t even a bad word but they make it sound like one) Are for the right to bear arms? Then you’re an uneducated hillbilly. Are for churches and other religious institutions to decid…

> Are against open borders? Then you’re a racist.

An infinitesimal part of the population and debate around border/immigration policy favors open borders. The framing of anything remotely mainstream as “open borders” definitely strikes me as a likely sign of racism.

> Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist.

Yes. This is correct.

> Are for a pro worker visa policy and tariffs on imports? Then you’re a nationalist (which isn’t even a bad word but they make it sound like one)

Pro-worker? Or pro-worker-with-citizenship? And last I checked the objection to tariffs is that they’re harmful to all the people they’d ostensibly benefit.

> Are for the right to bear arms? Then you’re an uneducated hillbilly.

Not sure what uneducated hillbilly has to do with any Overton Window but the debate right now is over limiting access to certain kinds of arms, not eliminating the right to bear arms totally.

> Are for churches and other religious institutions to decide for themselves if they remain open? Then you’re a religious nut job who thinks the world is flat.

I don’t think the judgment has anything to do with religion, it has to do with allowing exemptions to gatherings being a public danger. You’re still a superspreader if you’re a superspreader with a good healthy positive religious faith.

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Post by jimbob45 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:10 AM UTC

botwriter wrote: post #279

nicbou wrote: post #153

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Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

Why does the left have to censor the right? Surely they should be able to beat the right with logical and reasoned arguments? Censorship has always struck me as a tool that a side which isn't confident in its arguments uses.

Agreed. If I say, “One equals two”, and you say, “Don’t ever talk to me again, you racist”, then I’m never going to understand the flaws in my thinking and you’re going to wonder why you are unable to convert people to your side.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:10 AM UTC

Ancapistani wrote: post #458

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> Their legal cases are rejected. Not-an-American here. When their cases seek to disenfranchise large swathes of voters based on zero evidence, what’s the alternative?

It’s slightly more complicated than that. First, the position of the plaintiffs of those cases is that the actions of the “other half” have effectively disenfranchised them. If disenfranchisement is the issue at hand, it follows that one should investigate when someone claims to have been disenfranchised. Second, every case that I’ve followed up on has been denied on the grounds of standing. My understanding is that…

>Second, every case that I’ve followed up on has been denied on the grounds of standing.

Also laches.

One I followed because it was in my state and I know a lawyer involved was out right dismissed, but the judge was extremely forthcoming that this just wasn't appropriate for their court and issued an immediate appellate number and got that process going. Later in the media, I read how "Another Trump Fraud Case Tossed Out Of Court" which was at best disingenuous and at worst something else.

I still have no idea if the case had any merit! Probably not of course it was denied later a appeal, but that's the point. If you thought there was wrongdoing, from your point of view this doesn't help. I don't agree of course, but I get the perspective.

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Post by leppr » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:10 AM UTC

akmarinov wrote: post #360

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Idk if simply used by the wrong people is the right way to decide if we should ban a tool. If foreign spies use firefox and thunderbird should we fine mozilla? They might have used nike shoes to walk there after getting a flyer in the mail printed on a cannon printer using an apple computer.. etc etc.

In Facebook’s case, they specifically show you posts and news that will make you angry, since making you angry engages you more. It’s literally their business plan.

Should we ban tabloids too or are those okay since they're not P2P?

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Post by johnchristopher » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:11 AM UTC

botwriter wrote: post #279

nicbou wrote: post #153

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Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

Why does the left have to censor the right? Surely they should be able to beat the right with logical and reasoned arguments? Censorship has always struck me as a tool that a side which isn't confident in its arguments uses.

> Surely they should be able to beat the right with logical and reasoned arguments?

It's a self-harming myth the left believes in. You don't need to be right to win the argument.

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Post by danlugo92 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:11 AM UTC

soupson wrote: post #412

o_p wrote: post #117

Imagine owning a phone that can only get content approved by Apple and can cancel you for any arbitrary reason. Its like buying a radio that can only listen to democrats approved stations, its ridiculous and yet the fanboys will defend their shitty practices no matter what

Apple doesn’t censor Safari.

They do via not allowing http (non s)