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Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by venzaspa »

dyauspitr wrote: post #377
bix6 wrote: post #27

Specs are insane but why does it look like a budget sedan with a cool paint job? This sounds kind of fun. It’s curious they weren’t allowed to drive though.. > But I can say that the Torque Shift Engagement system — which gives the driver five power levels on the right paddle and five engine-braking levels on the left — is one of the most intriguing ideas I’ve seen in an electric car. It doesn’t simulate gear changes…

I don’t understand the EU’s love for the stick shift. Auto transmissions have been better for a long time and with EVs you don’t need that abomination at all. Imagine needing to push a lever every few seconds while driving.

They only really became better (more efficient) when they ditch torque converters and use some form of direct shift automatic gearbox or CRV instead which adds complexity. Small and cheap cars are far more popular in Europe and both of the above add cost and complexity.

I've driven manual cars daily for years and once you get used to it, changing gears is not even something you think about.

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by convenwis »

rullopat wrote: post #440

I don't get how Ive is getting so much praise as a designer, after designing the worst iPhones ever and a Ferrari that looks like a Toyota Prius on steroids.

I think that this just emphasizes how much Ive needed Jobs as a constraint. The early stuff they did together was genuinely good and changed the industry for the better. But his later work after Jobs got sick seemed significantly worse. Definitely a relationship that needed both sides.

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by epolanski »

l23k4 wrote: post #483
epolanski wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but his point stands. There is really no way to justify the price tag. With combustion engines at least you knew that you had an extremely rare feat of engineering.

I'll buy this car, mostly because I like the interior. The fact that I like the interior and I can't get it for less money is what justifies the price tag.

Ferrari really isn't a car known for interiors.

It's only since 2018 that they stepped up, but that's still not the focus of a Ferrari even with the Roma or Purosangue.

Even at low mileage, even for the new cars, wear and heat ruin the car extremely fast. Plastics and glues break down very soon on those cars, other surfaces become sticky and gummy.

Ferrari is a car made for the driving experience, if you're looking for interior quality you can get way better materials and build at a fraction of the price from other GT cars makers.

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by voidmain0001 »

voidmain0001 wrote: post #512
rickdeckard wrote: post #437

Makes sense from corporate perspective to hire the "Apple Designer" to craft the interior experience, it's fresh input from a very respected UX design-lead of another industry. But handing over responsibility for the exterior is quite questionable IMO. To me, the exterior has lost almost all of Ferrari's identity. It's a nice car-design, but if you'd tell me it's a Hyundai, Lexus or BYD I would believe you. I wonder…

If you don’t like it then you’re not the demographic they’re targeting. Let me say that I think it’s bland but I won’t say I don’t like it. The market they’re targeting is probably young and can’t afford it but those that can afford it will buy it to appear young, as if they belong to the demographic.

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Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by basisword »

rullopat wrote: post #440

I don't get how Ive is getting so much praise as a designer, after designing the worst iPhones ever and a Ferrari that looks like a Toyota Prius on steroids.

>> after designing the worst iPhones ever

How can this make any sense when he designed every iPhone until 2019? None of which would have existed without his original design and all of which remain relatively close to that original design.

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by rounce »

goldenarm wrote: post #537

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I disagree, it still commits many sins of modern car design with regard to interior controls. After Ive making a big statement basically echoing what pretty much everyone has been saying for years about forcing touchscreens on drivers, he goes and slaps a big honking iPad on the dash.

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by seydor »

Mikho wrote: post #548

This will be a success. There is no need to sell an amount comparable to the Tesla Model S. It's Ferrari's first entry into the premium 5-seat EV sedan market. There are enough people who would pay any money to have an electric Ferrari. The fact that it's a rather everyday car—and not a supercar—makes it a very attractive option for rich people who need to show off. Design is also pretty good for the task. It doesn't…

Stock is down 6% now

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by seydor »

rullopat wrote: post #440

I don't get how Ive is getting so much praise as a designer, after designing the worst iPhones ever and a Ferrari that looks like a Toyota Prius on steroids.

Toyota has a decent boring design consistency

Re: Ferrari Luce

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Post by seydor »

epsteingpt wrote: post #538

The commentary seems pretty uninformed. My strong guess is the buyer of the electric Ferrari is not your typical Ferrari buyer. These same people probably criticized the Porsche Cayenne for 'not being fast enough' or 'lacking features that Toyota SUVs have' The target buyer is probably more like Dubai housewife with kids. They have a different aesthetic. They LOVE their iPhone. Everyone hating on it probably needs to…

I just hope it doesn't lose signal when you touch the metal.

For Dubai you gotta consider the resale value. Which doesn't seem very high to me once the initial hype bump is over. (Sir why dont you buy this famous ugliest ferrari ever for the bargain price of 500000)

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