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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by tptacek »

littlestymaar wrote: post #550
tptacek wrote: post #350

Hamas was offered a ceasefire under exactly the same terms in May, and refused it. Since then: * Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of the Hamas political wing, was killed in Tehran * Yahyah Sinwar, the leader of the Al-Qassam Brigades, was killed in Gaza * Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Lebanese Hezbollah, was killed in Beirut * Hashem Safieddine, Nasrallah's successor, was killed a week later * Large swathes of Hezbollah'…

While that's indeed true that all these people were monsters, for the record this deal wasn't only rejected by Hama's but by Netanyahu himself as well. The key difference here is that Trump put pressure on him when Bidden always refused to do so.

No, it wasn't. Hamas could have had this deal in May.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

tptacek wrote: post #547
hmcq6 wrote: post #545

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Conservative figures show that more than 6,000 women and 11,000 children were killed in Gaza by the Israeli military over the last 12 months. https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-child... Edit: also that's not war, thats war crimes

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> these are always the dumbest disputes

They’re a test on the source. (And I’d argue that yes, there is a meaningful difference between ten thousand and tens of thousands of deaths.)

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by wqaatwt »

malandrew wrote: post #507
robertoandred wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going to pretend that Jews haven’t lived there for thousands and thousands of years, before the Arabs arrived?

In 1872, less than 4% of Palestine was Jewish. It was 17% in 1931. 33% in 1948 when Israel was formed. The vast vast majority of Jews in Israel now are Ashkenazi. Ashkenazis are from Khazaria and converted to Judaism between 740 and 920 AD. Even from this population, there is a bottleneck around 600 to 800 years ago where the population was down to 350 individuals [1]. By and large very very few Jews in Palestine/Isr…

> Ashkenazis are from Khazaria and converted to Judaism between 740 and 920 AD

Probably not worth reading your comment past this sentence.

You’re confusing something…

They are from Eastern Europe through the way of Germany and probably Italy (where they likely did quite a bit of mixing with the local before becoming mostly genetically isolated) prior to that.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by imtringued »

amluto wrote: post #426
pcthrowaway wrote: post #148

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OK since no one else has said it yet, "according to a source familiar with the details"[1] (I know) Trump has basically told Netanyahu to agree to the ceasefire including the return of hostages. Then if they decide to break the ceasefire and go back to relentless bombings, Trump will still continue to support them. So it could be a tactic to get Hamas to release whatever hostages are still alive, then get right back…

Would there really be much support within Israel to continue the war if all the hostages were already released?

Why would something as irrelevant as hostages end a war? Start it on the other hand... Sure!

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by littlestymaar »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #535
mysecretaccount wrote: post #524

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I suppose if we are to digress to the land of "shoulds", Israel should not have decided to delete tens of thousands of Gazan children in the interim. Even if we grant that Israel offered this ceasefire deal in good faith in May, a bungled deal by Qatar/Egypt/Hamas does nothing to justify the ethnic cleansing they conducted in 2024.

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> We have absolutely zero credible evidence of tends of thousands of child deaths.

Unfortunately we have.

> Don’t start stupid wars

This was indeed an insanely stupid move from Hamas.

> Hezbollah (and Iran) has been rational

Idk if I'd call that rational: they were afraid of going war against Israel and they mostly tried to appease it. Only do discover that appeasement doesn't really works well against expansionist superpowers.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by throwaway2037 »

chasil wrote: post #395
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

I graduated from an electrical engineering program at a big ten (U.S.) school in the mid '90s, and I am closing in on retirement. I spent today enrapt in an Oracle upgrade from 10g to 11g. Yes, our IT is COBOL-centric, and we are vastly behind the times. Much of today was spent (re)compiling C. The consensus is that I will have to think hard tomorrow about how to fix these problems. While I was in school, I studied w…

This is a great post. Thank you to share your personal experience. Do you think they were first generation Palestinians? Or multi-generation (parents or earlier immigrated)? I know that Michigan state (Detroit, etc.) has one of the largest Arab communities in the United States.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by a-saleh »

xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

I am hoping at least for some sort of "Ok, now we pour money and bricks and concrete into Gaza to help them rebuild."

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by littlestymaar »

tptacek wrote: post #547
hmcq6 wrote: post #545

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Conservative figures show that more than 6,000 women and 11,000 children were killed in Gaza by the Israeli military over the last 12 months. https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-child... Edit: also that's not war, thats war crimes

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> They should have taken the deal in May.

It wouldn't have happened no matter what Hamas wanted back then, as Netanyahu was fighting the ceasefire anyway.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by littlestymaar »

tptacek wrote: post #551
littlestymaar wrote: post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While that's indeed true that all these people were monsters, for the record this deal wasn't only rejected by Hama's but by Netanyahu himself as well. The key difference here is that Trump put pressure on him when Bidden always refused to do so.

No, it wasn't. Hamas could have had this deal in May.

Tell that to the hundred of thousands of Israeli who March against Netanyahu every weekend to pressure him to accept a deal he's always refused.
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