No thanks. I'll wait until the LLM/AI is resident on the phone and can be updated/replaced by the end user.
Same. And I don't think we'll have to wait long - perhaps a year.
Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone
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They have a confirmation dialogue in the keynote. As long as they do that well and for every important action, I don't think it will be a problem
Funny thing that the keynote only demoed “Confirm” and never “Correct”/“Change this”, etc.
May be because "change this" is vague and more of a broad function and may need more clarifications. Users may have more clearer commands, like "cancel this", "I don't like this, provide an alternative" or "can you go back one step?" etc. User can just speak those requests out loud since device is listening.
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#543Imagine reading HN on this thing.
Voice chat with your computer is possibly the worst input method. UIs exist for a reason. Clicking a few buttons is much faster than a conversation. The future of computing doesn't look like a bot that's automating some website UI actions.
A legal aside: if an airline wants to make a sucky UI because its trying to upsell, should it be legal to allow users to skip over it? Is a company's website any different to their physical storefront?
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Think it's a mistake having the main product design team as an external resource not a core part of the company. Wont be a coherent vision.
I think the hardware is just a gimmick. It gives the proposition more 'body' and is great for marketing. But really, this is screaming to be an app. There is literally nothing this thing can do that the phone in all of our pockets can't. Especially integrated with our smartwatches for ease of use. So why have a separate device for it? It makes no sense. I think the hardware is just there to make it not 'just another…
Their LAM is actually a bit scary, why even develop mobile apps when they are just a human interface translation to a machine interface. The LAM will do it for you
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#546I feel like the R1 is getting a lot of weird hate here on HN. I get it, it's a bit pretentious and wants to be very Apple-like, yadda yadda. Probably not that much value generation, it's overpriced, and no one wants to carry another thing in their pocket. And yes, the company will likely go bankrupt (or pivot into something less exciting). It's also all in the cloud (no local inference) so it doesn't really even "do"…
Assistants are cool, but I want better tools . Give me a timeline with all my emails, chats, documents, and pictures shown together. Full text search on my entire browsing history. Exporting my Booking.com search results as a spreadsheet. Controlling my phone from my desktop, and vice versa. As a bonus, those capabilities don't require uploading your data to the cloud or risking LLM hallucinations.
This so much.
I want easily pluggable/connectable systems for everything. I want to see all my messages and all my contacts and all my stuff in interfaces I choose. The future is definitely not searching email, Whatsapp, Signal and Instagram to find the message my friend sent me the other day.
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#547Everyone wants so badly to be first to market with the "next big thing" after smart phones. And all of them fail the "so it's a phone, but just less capable?" test. A neat toy for hobbyists, but most people can't justify carrying two devices. And as soon as you add phone functionality to it... you've just made a new (more awkward) smartphone.
They’re all computers, whether you can make phonecalls with them is actually not that interesting.
My takeaway of their angle is: the companies making the apps and services that are used a lot often have incentives that aren’t aligned with their users. People want to see baby photos, Facebook wants to sell ads, people want to find information, Google wants to sell ads, people want to see what their friends are doing Instagram wants to sell ads. The “LAM” promises to wrap a lot of stuff under an interface.
The device itself is just the access point.
I like the angle. I don’t see it working with today’s quality of LLM understanding human intent nor with all of the siloed platforms.