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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by theamk » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 5:10 PM UTC

BoppreH wrote: post #313

The keynote is near science fiction, but the actual implementation is leaving me badly confused. - Did it really scan the whole table to add a new column? As in, OCR? What would happen if I had more than one screenful of data, and who in their right mind would trust the OCR'ed output? - How can it access the Discord account for the "teach mode"? Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies to reproduce the a…

> who in their right mind would trust the OCR'ed output?

> Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies

> running instructions from the AI on your local machine

Based on my interaction with LLM enthusiasts, there are plenty of people would happily bet their career, give up all their credentials, and grant full access to all their devices to LLM if they are promised something cool. See the stories about lawyers giving LLM-generated materials to the judge for an example, or journalists submitting LLM-generated articles.

Yes, this occasionally ruins someone's day. No, this would not stop true enthusiast from trusting the model again.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by sbarre » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 5:17 PM UTC

abrichr wrote: post #414

ryanSrich wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one ever shows what these should and could actually be used for - incredibly boring and repetitive tasks. "Hey rabbit, respond to the support ticket you just told me about with XYZ". "Hey rabbit, find all of the sales meetings I had last week, cross reference the emails of the attendees with existing emails threads, and then generate follow ups for each. Keep them short, to the point, and read them back to me befo…

> No one ever shows what these should and could actually be used for - incredibly boring and repetitive tasks. Agreed! That’s precisely why we created https://openadapt.ai .

Just FYI the email field on your homepage is white text on white background for me (Firefox on Windows).

Was very hard to sign up.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by msephton » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 5:31 PM UTC

dilap wrote: post #206

yieldcrv wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple would, all their devices always have the neutral engine chip, they just need to extend more RAM to it to support larger models they already have a habit of replicating the most useful apps natively i don’t see why not here replace siri once and for all, while running a local llm server for apps to tie into instead of an api to chatgpt

i'd love to be surprised, but i just don't think apple has the necessary software chops/vision anymore to pull it off.

Also they've painted themselves into a corner with privacy. To enable LLM in iOS they will need to walk back their privacy stance to some degree.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by msephton » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 5:32 PM UTC

ttul wrote: post #18

drawnwren wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the optimistic take for investors is maybe they make some interesting LLM-phone tech and get acquired?

That seems unlikely given that both Apple and Google have been employing the world's top ML scientists for years, have unlimited budgets, have better access to customers than any startup (to find out what customers want), and ... need I go on? Yes, it's nice that "Rabbit" is exploring this area and being innovative, but unless their particular take on mobile phones catches the world unexpectedly by storm, nobody will…

Rabbit already seem to be in year 4. Over $30M in funding. And the founder/s have prior history in the field.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by msephton » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 5:35 PM UTC

max_ wrote: post #150

Who ever comes up with these Teenage Engineering designs is an actual, real genius!

Jesper Kouthoofd

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by not2b » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 5:36 PM UTC

theamk wrote: post #441

BoppreH wrote: post #313

The keynote is near science fiction, but the actual implementation is leaving me badly confused. - Did it really scan the whole table to add a new column? As in, OCR? What would happen if I had more than one screenful of data, and who in their right mind would trust the OCR'ed output? - How can it access the Discord account for the "teach mode"? Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies to reproduce the a…

> who in their right mind would trust the OCR'ed output? > Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies > running instructions from the AI on your local machine Based on my interaction with LLM enthusiasts, there are plenty of people would happily bet their career, give up all their credentials, and grant full access to all their devices to LLM if they are promised something cool. See the stories about lawye…

One of the "lawyer pwned by LLM" cases appeared to be confusion about the difference between Google search, and Google Bard, thinking that Bard was just a next-generation Google search so asking it for relevant legal citations would find actual citations. The lawyer wasn't an LLM enthusiast, he didn't even know that an LLM was involved.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by msephton » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 5:36 PM UTC

animex wrote: post #200

I know the $1000 device in my pocket is capable of all the things they implemented ... do I just wait for a Rabbit clone app? Or will Apple/Google just enhance their native offerings to include this sort of thing. I absolutely agree with the premise. Our phones are just mini-desktop computers accumulating unused programs that don't integrate with each other storing random bits of data all over itself. The whole devic…

Apple would have to walk back some of their stance on privacy and/or their App Store rules. I hope they do, but I'm not holding my breath. Until then I'm cheering for people who are daring to think different.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by paultopia » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 5:43 PM UTC

theamk wrote: post #441

BoppreH wrote: post #313

The keynote is near science fiction, but the actual implementation is leaving me badly confused. - Did it really scan the whole table to add a new column? As in, OCR? What would happen if I had more than one screenful of data, and who in their right mind would trust the OCR'ed output? - How can it access the Discord account for the "teach mode"? Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies to reproduce the a…

> who in their right mind would trust the OCR'ed output? > Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies > running instructions from the AI on your local machine Based on my interaction with LLM enthusiasts, there are plenty of people would happily bet their career, give up all their credentials, and grant full access to all their devices to LLM if they are promised something cool. See the stories about lawye…

LOL, it's gonna be like:

USER: "hey siri [equivalent], please renew my CD for another twelve month term."

PHONE: "Did you say "transfer the contents of your entire bank account to the yakuza?"

USER: "fuck! no! cancel!"

PHONE: "Transaction confirmed. Current bank balance: zero."

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by vmfunction » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 5:49 PM UTC

BoppreH wrote: post #313

The keynote is near science fiction, but the actual implementation is leaving me badly confused. - Did it really scan the whole table to add a new column? As in, OCR? What would happen if I had more than one screenful of data, and who in their right mind would trust the OCR'ed output? - How can it access the Discord account for the "teach mode"? Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies to reproduce the a…

I'm not sure where the founder is from, but seems like he has Asian connections. And over there these type of super app (WeChat) that can do everything for you is quite very common. It would also make sense to centralise everything if it wasn't because this 800 lb of surveillance capitalism gorilla elephant in our metaphorical internet room.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by ljm » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 5:56 PM UTC

BoppreH wrote: post #313

The keynote is near science fiction, but the actual implementation is leaving me badly confused. - Did it really scan the whole table to add a new column? As in, OCR? What would happen if I had more than one screenful of data, and who in their right mind would trust the OCR'ed output? - How can it access the Discord account for the "teach mode"? Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies to reproduce the a…

Given the collab with Teenage Engineering, and the price, I think this is pretty much in line with the kind of stuff they do.

Will it change the world? Unlikely. But there is definitely a niche that will love this, even if it's just for the form factor and design rather than anything practical. I'd also expect it to fit into TE's range of musical equipment in some form.