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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by gffrd »

com2kid wrote: post #518
F7F7F7 wrote: post #506

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You’re much more impressed than I am. 90% of use cases will be covered by an official API. They’ll cover the other 10% with “teaching”. Essentially you telling the AI what the lazily written markup actually means. Then they save it into an automation template. QA teams have only been doing that for the better part of 3 decades. I know a company that employs a building of a 1,000 people doing nothing but performing 1…

Uber wants people in its app, they want to show ads for their subscription membership services, and they want to upsell you on services, and they want you to see sponsored restaurants first when you order food. Uber wants to own the relationship with customers, so they can ~exploit the customers more~ extract more value. VC backed and publicly listed companies need endless growth, user-centric systems like what Rabbi…

Agree with everything you're saying.

Watching the keynote, I found myself thinking how unhappy Uber would be with skipping over interacting with them entirely: there's no "Uber experience" you have when you're in the car, so what do you get from Uber that any random company with a tie in to Rabbit can't get you?

Option 1: a shift in devices/model like Rabbit pull the magic carpet out from under companies like Uber, and everything becomes purely transactional.

Option 2: rabbit-like market creates exclusivity-based need, to ensure Uber is the number-one (or only) rideshare choice, so it doesn't matter that customers aren't "experiencing" Uber. Uber relinquishes the experience to the agent (unlikely).

Option 3: Uber et al wage war against agents and make their use impossible

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by wkat4242 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #431
thih9 wrote: post #152

Note that this is not a Teenage Engineering product. This is a product sold by Rabbit - and they hired TE to help as a design agency.

Think it's a mistake having the main product design team as an external resource not a core part of the company. Wont be a coherent vision.

I think the hardware is just a gimmick. It gives the proposition more 'body' and is great for marketing.

But really, this is screaming to be an app. There is literally nothing this thing can do that the phone in all of our pockets can't. Especially integrated with our smartwatches for ease of use. So why have a separate device for it? It makes no sense.

I think the hardware is just there to make it not 'just another app' in the press, really. And that the app version will come soon after the physical product releases and will take over 99% of the installed base.

And of course if this takes off they'll be quickly acquired by Apple, Microsoft, Google or Samsung. I bet that's what they're aiming for.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by wkat4242 »

Calamityjanitor wrote: post #238

This is exactly what Siri wanted to be. Compare with the original Siri keynote https://vimeo.com/5424527 I can't find the exact ~2010 article from before being bought by Apple. I remember in an interview they were talking about making a web agent that could operate and perform tasks on any website, to avoid being locked out by APIs.

Yeah it's sad that Siri stagnated as soon as Apple bought it. They had some great ideas.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by wkat4242 »

bronco21016 wrote: post #426
ZiiS wrote: post #328

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Ensure you are invested $200 in using it. Very few will pay that for an App.

Yet people readily pay $99/year for apps all the time. I think the reason this isn’t an app is because the gate keepers don’t want competition. Looking at you Siri.

Do they really? I don't even pay that much for my entire O365 suite.

The most expensive app I pay for is Telegram Premium at 30$ per year. And that's really worth it for me for the translation otherwise I would have thought twice.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by c_o_n_v_e_x »

natch wrote: post #68

So many questions. Is this a YC company? Did they apply? Does anyone know anything about them at all? It just screams scam to me. Who would give them $200 for vapor? [Edit: I have been told the device has been demoed in a comment below, so perhaps it might be real.] Let’s say Apple were to do this. Apple would take years to get it right but when they announced it would be with a date with an accuracy to within a cert…

A few colleagues and I were baffled about the launch. Anecdotally, between the group, we consume a huge amount of tech news daily and were all caught off guard by the launch. How were 10k sold in a day if no one's heard of this company before?

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by mclightning »

wkat4242 wrote: post #532
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think it's a mistake having the main product design team as an external resource not a core part of the company. Wont be a coherent vision.

I think the hardware is just a gimmick. It gives the proposition more 'body' and is great for marketing. But really, this is screaming to be an app. There is literally nothing this thing can do that the phone in all of our pockets can't. Especially integrated with our smartwatches for ease of use. So why have a separate device for it? It makes no sense. I think the hardware is just there to make it not 'just another…

This comment hit the nail in the head. Content marketing at its best.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by [deleted] »

nabakin wrote: post #353
jmull wrote: post #292

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How do you know the LLM is going to do what you confirmed? There's a fundamental tension here: either you limit the LLM to a set of fixed actions that a user can individually understand and confirm. Or you let it figure out what to do and how to do it given a higher-level goal. In the first case, it's limited and not really better than a well-designed site or app. In the second it's powerful but can run amok. E.g., d…

The whole system isn't an LLM. At the point they are asking for confirmation, they've already parsed the required information and handed it off to normal code. It's not going to change again. Ultimately, an LLM only has the capability to take a string as input and output another string. Any other functionality (Uber, search, travel, etc) has to be manually programmed in via APIs. For the foreseeable future, a fixed s…

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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by ergocoder »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #412
ergocoder wrote: post #410

I'll call it. This is vaporware. This is similar to Fast and Bolt. 2 reasons: - It will be better as a phone. People will not use it and the initial hype will die quickly. - It is seemingly useful but useless in practice because many things are impossible to do. The demo is already so fake. With the two above reasons, the momentum and funding will dry up quickly. Check back in a year.

At the same time, I don't see why the Apple Watch, just as an example, won't go this direction. Come too think of it ... maybe that's the plan: to be bought up by a big tech company.

yeah, if they can do what is shown in the demo. A big if.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by pacifika »

F7F7F7 wrote: post #509
drcode wrote: post #356

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having a purpose built device reduces number of clicks and other friction. currently phones are hostile to AI interaction (not that I'm entertaining this specific device)

Yep. What they’ve done is deceptively simple. This is a weekend project with off the shelf APIs and a few Github repos. It’s the dedicated appliance that’s the genius part and what makes it feel like magic.

If you have a year long weekend
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