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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by scarface74 »

wvenable wrote: post #132
endisneigh wrote: post #86

Stop buying Apple if you don't like it. Seriously. At the end of the day all of these companies would do the exact same thing as Apple if they were in Apple's position. The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those, then you can be free of the duopoly. Other than using phone specific features, why can't all apps run on your desktop, laptop or elsewhere? I'll never get…

> The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those Progress on that front is hampered because fruit company only allows their own browser and puts just enough effort into it to keep it relevant as a web browser.

Most companies have a website, an Android App and an iPhone app. If Apple is the only thing that is keeping great PWAs off the market, why are companies bothering to create Android apps instead of telling Android users just to use their website?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by weberer »

philliphaydon wrote: post #381
wvenable wrote: post #341

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No, Safari is the new IE. There are better browsers but due to it's market share (forced by Apple) developers are forced to limit themselves to it's feature set. And the reasons are the same as well: Microsoft saw the browser as competition to their OS and Apple sees it the same way. So they both limited development of their browser to keep their platform supremacy. The situation is not the same with Google -- the we…

People used to build websites for IE. Now people build websites for chrome. Firefox is a better browser but people are stuck with chrome cos everything works in chrome. Google controls chromium. Its absolutely history repeating when Google adds is own standards. People whine about iOS Safari but the reality is it works really well and most of the complaints are “it works in chrome but not safari and I don’t want to s…

I can't think of any websites that don't work with Firefox. It was hell back in the IE days because a lot of sites required ActiveX or whatever that nonsense was.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by bayindirh »

bobmaxup wrote: post #472
bayindirh wrote: post #427

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I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

> or is not guaranteed to stick after an arbitrary time I have never experienced this. What settings?

Apps background execution and battery use permissions get revoked randomly. It's generally confined to the Tasker and other tools which interface with Tasker, tho.

However, as a result, the backup tasks I created my parents keep stopping randomly, and I don't like that.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by Halan »

For those debating privacy here, we are still waiting for the year of Linux on desktop what makes you think that a fully featured smartphone with true privacy control is possible? Good luck staying away from Google on Android, it is a matter of choosing the less evil, and in my opinion Google is worse than Apple. Not only their entire business model is ads, they also run hardware divisions to get more ads revenue. Sure, Apple will never pass on the opportunity for some extra ads revenue but might have less pressure from its board and stakeholder to squeeze every single penny given the argument that this would impact the main revenue stream. Google does not have this luxory

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by MrScruff »

jonny_eh wrote: post #453
bayindirh wrote: post #427

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I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

Any argument in favour of the iPhone being so locked down needs to contend with the fact that Macs are just as reliable, but far more configurable. All I want is the for the iPhone to be as open as a Mac. Let me run binaries signed by legit devs!

My parents use a Mac, it’s still occasionally a hostile environment for them. The iPhone has vastly more users, who are installing many more apps. People put all of their digital lives into these devices. I really don’t want iPhones to be as a open as a Mac!

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by scarface74 »

sschueller wrote: post #448
endisneigh wrote: post #86

Stop buying Apple if you don't like it. Seriously. At the end of the day all of these companies would do the exact same thing as Apple if they were in Apple's position. The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those, then you can be free of the duopoly. Other than using phone specific features, why can't all apps run on your desktop, laptop or elsewhere? I'll never get…

I have, however if you are a business you can not avoid apple if you want to access the most lucrative markets. An iOS version of your app is a must.

Yes and I’m sure if Apple allowed side loading those side loaded apps would be successful. Just look at all of the popular profitable mainstream apps for Android that are not on the Google Play store.

But it came out in the Epic Trial that 80% of App Store revenue came from pay to win games. Most of the other big none game money makers stopped supporting in app purchases years ago - like Netflix and Spotify.

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Post by heavyset_go »

vineyardmike wrote: post #484
onion2k wrote: post #463

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I find the "Apple's engineers aren't capable of doing this in a safe way" argument a bit hollow, because the option basically already exists in iOS. All people want is the option to jailbreak iOS in an official way rather than some sketchy hack. As for services that 'demand' you install something, the option exists on Android and no one demands people install things on their Android devices. Why would iOS be differen…

> As for services that 'demand' you install something, the option exists on Android and no one demands people install things on their Android devices. Why would iOS be different? https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/mobile/android 1. It is used now. 2. Google is a lot less aggressive than apple (see meta vs ATT).

I don't see where Epic is forcing anyone to do anything.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by eecc »

aussieshibe wrote: post #479
bayindirh wrote: post #427

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I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? I heard an argument like this a lot at the start of discussions about whether we should be able to choose to WFH in the longer term. "I don't want to WFH because..." Ok, sure, but nobody is trying to force you to. It might just be me, and I'll de…

> Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits?

Next thing that would happen is that every major "can't miss out" app will walk its users through the process to disable safe management features, all to fulfill the promise of showing cute cat gifs. You know that's how it is.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

drawingthesun wrote: post #527
bayindirh wrote: post #427

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I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

I agree. As my business become more complicated and I become less a tech oriented student and more a "have to get the paperwork done for legal reasons" type person I went back to iPhone and never looked back. I noticed many people I know running very time consuming business to be iPhone users too, not having the time to tinker with Android. I notice my tech friends working in support love android, as their job doesn'…

That's a lot of stereotyping. Has it occurred to you that not every Android user wastes time to "tinker" with their phone and they're just normal people who use it like you do your iPhone?

Android is not like Linux were it's exclusive to developers, geeks and tinkerers. The market share also exemplifies that it's just as much for average joes as iOS.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by scarface74 »

madeofpalk wrote: post #142
kitsunesoba wrote: post #126

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It's hard to take Spotify's call for openness seriously when they're just as controlling as Apple is when it comes to how it allows its users to use its product. Most egregiously, they never delivered the promised playback-capable replacement for libspotify, probably because they want to keep their users in their little walled garden where Spotify can subject them to incessant A/B test tweaks to the UI designed to he…

You can take him completely seriously: he just wants to be able to sign up paying users on iPhone without handing 30% to Apple. I don’t think that’s particularly opaque.

He can. Users can go to Spotify.com in any browser and they can even make it easy by supporting Apple Pay.

Apple Pay charges standard credit card processing fees of around 2% as opposed to in all purchases.

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