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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by rtpg »

bayindirh wrote: post #427
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

But like... none of that is related to the App Store lock in! It's also not related to the 30% cut.

Apple's OS and the API it provides for developing apps is what gets us here. Lord knows there are some real busted apps out there, but your system doesn't fall apart.

Let's not even get into the fact that Apple itself was doing OS X stuff, which was able to have a high bar for software quality, and no "don't install random binaries" stuff to be seen.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by pietro72ohboy »

compiskey wrote: post #294
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

Apple employees have the freedom to create without coercion. You would need to lobby to change law, not preach to the choir here. That’s what Spotify and Musk are doing; trying to manipulate public perception to influence politicians. The problem they have is Apple is the crown jewel of US tech corps. Spotify is not and politicians are well aware Musk is a poser with money. Epic, Spotify, like Jobs once said, sell fe…

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by onion2k »

mleo wrote: post #450
Krasnol wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is about having an ADDITIONAL option to access things not about taking the "Lock me down, I don't care"-status away.

The unforeseen consequences of the former will break the latter. Schools, Test Proctoring companies, Game companies will "force" users to install the ADDITIONAL option to run whatever is required and then simply extend their reach beyond what is appropriate.

I find the "Apple's engineers aren't capable of doing this in a safe way" argument a bit hollow, because the option basically already exists in iOS. All people want is the option to jailbreak iOS in an official way rather than some sketchy hack.

As for services that 'demand' you install something, the option exists on Android and no one demands people install things on their Android devices. Why would iOS be different?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by piva00 »

threeseed wrote: post #59
piva00 wrote: post #55

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What API do you see missing from developer.spotify.net?

I can't build: a) hardware devices with Spotify capabilities without their approval. b) third party clients since I don't have access to full streams, record-label level of information on artists, songs etc.

Both are limitations from contractual obligations with music labels that don't allow full streams to be shared as well as most of the record-label level of metadata. It's not Spotify's fault.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by shuckles »

Krasnol wrote: post #438
bayindirh wrote: post #427

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I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

I think it is about having an ADDITIONAL option to access things not about taking the "Lock me down, I don't care"-status away.

It is odd to me that there are people who eagerly agree that Apple can coerce users into configurations they don't want for lack of better options yet also believe that no other company could make them do that w.r.t. being forced to download alternative app stores, spyware, bloatware, and more. Do you really think the average user won't end up being compelled to download garbage software if it's possible?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by philliphaydon »

wvenable wrote: post #444
FPGAhacker wrote: post #433

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That's a load of crap. I use safari for all my browsing with the one exception of using Firefox for read.amazon.com. It's perfectly fine. I'm never working on my computer an thinking, "damnit safari, why can't you just be like chrome/firefox." That never happens. I vastly prefer safari to chrome or Firefox. At work I'll use chrome because some of our web apps only support chrome for whatever reason. But they're garba…

Developers make sure their sites work in Safari. Just like developers made sure that their sites still worked in IE11 for almost a decade. Because it works for you is exactly why it's holding back development.

If developers made sure their sites worked in Safari we wouldn't have submissions to HN for sites that only work in Chrome with "oh yeah it doesn't work in Firefox or Safari because I didn't test it".

The number of developers who do their work on Chrome and call it a job done and never test in another browser, far outweight the number of developers who do test cross-browser.

The reason people tested in IE11 and less was because they were forced to. They liked Chrome but the users were using the shitty browsers, and older OS didn't yet support Edge.

Now the majority use Chrome and the devs no longer care.

We need more competition in the browser space, Safari and Firefox provide that. And neither are holding web development back.

Developers are.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by theshrike79 »

bayindirh wrote: post #427
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

Exactly. I want my phone to be closer to a gaming console, not a full personal computer.

I want all my problems on it to be solved by rebooting and I want it to just work and all the apps be safe by default.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by bigfudge »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #439
bayindirh wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

>settings persistence on Android is just not present As opposed to Apple quietly changing airdrop behavior based on what opinions the CCP has on freedom of speech? I get why you like Apple and voluntarily submit yourself and all your private data to the comfort of the JustWorks (TM) ecosystem, but after their whole "we're gonna keep scanning pics on your device (actually our device) for CP", there's no way I'm tradin…

I think the “too many eggs in one basket” is really the only thing that persuades me.

I don’t care that random developers have to workaround annoying restrictions and pay 30% to apple because it means it does just work and I don’t have to think — no one is trying to persuade me to do anything non Standard because there is no wiggle room. That’s a good thing.

But it is a risk — I don’t like what apple is doing in China, and we are not that far away from that in the us and uk. If apple does start behaving poorly here I will be SOOL.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by visarga »

hparadiz wrote: post #399
GuB-42 wrote: post #265

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My experience is that Samsung devices are quite easy to root. There is that e-fuse thing that disable some features permanently, but to my knowledge, these are mostly intended for corporate devices and you can ignore them for personal use.

With Galaxy phones they are extremely hostile to unsigned flashes to the device. You essentially need to exploit a zero day in the stock rom to get temporary root and then while you have temporary root you flash a new recovery. And then you gotta make sure it doesn't flash the stock recovery back in the next boot by making sure your next reboot goes into the recovery. And then you can flash your custom ROM. I skipped…

Having to jump through so many hoops is why I never bothered to root my phones. It sounds like 90% chance to brick it.
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