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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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He takes 30% for his platform, what's the issue with Apple taking 30% for their own platform? Quit the platform if you want. If consumers value Spotify enough they will leave Apple for it (spoiler: They won't)

a) It's 15% for businesses making under $1m and those on long term subscriptions.

b) Spotify takes a cut from the payment between consumer and musician so I assume they have no issue with it.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#52

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

IMO there should be a way to allow power users such as yourself to customize your phone, such as how Google allows side-loading. But we can see that based on how niche side loading is that mass-users oriented businesses like Spotify and Twitter would not be happy.

As for users like myself, I'm very happy that Apple intermediates my relationship with big businesses, because in the sphere of negotiation and leverage, big businesses like Walmart or Amazon would win every time for people in my family. They will auto-accept all terms.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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I would care more if there weren't so much hypocrisy going around.

Spotify doesn't allow me to replace their payment processor with my own or provide a full API to allow me to build a fully-fledged thirty party client.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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> No feature they offer requires a native app. Maybe not Twitter, but I don't see how Spotify's offline downloads would work through the iOS browser. Also, Spotify started as a native desktop app. The web player and full transition to electron wasn't until a couple of years later.

There's possibly smarter ways to handle this with Service Workers, CacheStorage, or other APIs. But with Indexeddb you could store blobs or array buffers up to 512MB on some mobile devices, 2GB on others. So there's like 100 songs offline.

Apple has had poor support for PWA's for a very long time - the CacheStorage was limited to a useless size, still no Web Push Notifications, just generally broken and noncomplaint.

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I would care more if there weren't so much hypocrisy going around. Spotify doesn't allow me to replace their payment processor with my own or provide a full API to allow me to build a fully-fledged thirty party client.

What API do you see missing from developer.spotify.net?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#56

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

No one is stopping you from buying a Linux based phone? I'm an avid Linux user and an avid Apple user, and I think both systems have their merits. If I had to have only one it would be Linux.

>No one is stopping you from buying a Linux based phone?

What is this supposed to be an argument for? Do you think this is an own? Is this statement made in good faith? Did you really let your 10th grade economics teacher tell you what a "monopoly" was and then never question either the usefulness or the validity of the definition?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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The car industry already has subscription services; Volvo, Porsche, Jaguar/Land Rover, Genesis, Nissan, all have subscription plans. Don't like those? Go down to most car dealers and you can get a short term subscription called a lease... Funny how the world hasn't ended because of this. Just go buy an Android phone if you don't like Apple's walled garden.

The car industry is going to change drastically in the next decade and it's going to result in much higher ownership costs, especially for used car buyers. The schemes that are going to ruin ownership for a lot of people are just starting. The manufacturers are all going to start locking features behind subscriptions. Things like heated seats, navigation, phone integration, performance, etc. will be premium features…

Added to that, wait until all cars are electric, and they filter down the secondhand market.

The average price of a 10-year old car in the UK, as of Sept 2022, is £6100 - pretty much the same as a replacement battery pack, which will be due after 8-10 years.

That’s going to have quite an effect on 3rd owners of cars, who buy 8-10 year old cars, especially if they have the added costs of subscriptions to deal with.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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1. Don't buy Apple. 2. What does that have to do with Spotify not wanting to pay IAP fees? 3. Should Spotify also allow you to "sideload" the mp3s you bought from bandcamp into their player?

"Don't buy Apple" is not actionable advice in a duopoly.

Except that it isn't a duopoly.

There are hundreds of phones available and most have different variations of Android with their own features and restrictions.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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I would care more if there weren't so much hypocrisy going around. Spotify doesn't allow me to replace their payment processor with my own or provide a full API to allow me to build a fully-fledged thirty party client.

What API do you see missing from developer.spotify.net?

I can't build:

a) hardware devices with Spotify capabilities without their approval.

b) third party clients since I don't have access to full streams, record-label level of information on artists, songs etc.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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No one is stopping you from buying a Linux based phone? I'm an avid Linux user and an avid Apple user, and I think both systems have their merits. If I had to have only one it would be Linux.

>No one is stopping you from buying a Linux based phone? What is this supposed to be an argument for? Do you think this is an own? Is this statement made in good faith? Did you really let your 10th grade economics teacher tell you what a "monopoly" was and then never question either the usefulness or the validity of the definition?

You can't argue for a particular feature then when someone offers you a device that has that feature argue that they are acting in bad faith.
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