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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by philliphaydon »

wvenable wrote: post #341
philliphaydon wrote: post #278

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This is good. Chrome is the new IE. we are repeating history with Google now controlling the web. Except no one seems to care cos it’s not Microsoft.

No, Safari is the new IE. There are better browsers but due to it's market share (forced by Apple) developers are forced to limit themselves to it's feature set. And the reasons are the same as well: Microsoft saw the browser as competition to their OS and Apple sees it the same way. So they both limited development of their browser to keep their platform supremacy. The situation is not the same with Google -- the we…

People used to build websites for IE.

Now people build websites for chrome.

Firefox is a better browser but people are stuck with chrome cos everything works in chrome. Google controls chromium.

Its absolutely history repeating when Google adds is own standards.

People whine about iOS Safari but the reality is it works really well and most of the complaints are “it works in chrome but not safari and I don’t want to spend any amount of time looking at it so I won’t support it”

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by xenospn »

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

Your iDevice being jailbroken makes my iDevice less secure.

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Post by zarzavat »

judge2020 wrote: post #378
wvenable wrote: post #152

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I don't understand your point. All browsers on iOS use the same underlying technology (Webkit) so the only relevant features between iOS browsers is those other features like password support, tab design, etc.

That's entirely my point. People don't use Chrome on desktop because it uses Blink and V8 - they use it because of the UX and UI decisions, and the same goes for Chrome on iOS.

People use chrome because it works. In some hypothetical future where many sites are broken with chrome for some reason, some other browser will take over. On iOS that can’t happen.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by etchalon »

I will never understand the argument that "consumers are making the wrong choice and I want the government to force companies to take that choice away from them. It hurts my business. Force them to make different choices, specifically these choices which help me make money. That's freedom!"

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by zarzavat »

philliphaydon wrote: post #381
wvenable wrote: post #341

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No, Safari is the new IE. There are better browsers but due to it's market share (forced by Apple) developers are forced to limit themselves to it's feature set. And the reasons are the same as well: Microsoft saw the browser as competition to their OS and Apple sees it the same way. So they both limited development of their browser to keep their platform supremacy. The situation is not the same with Google -- the we…

People used to build websites for IE. Now people build websites for chrome. Firefox is a better browser but people are stuck with chrome cos everything works in chrome. Google controls chromium. Its absolutely history repeating when Google adds is own standards. People whine about iOS Safari but the reality is it works really well and most of the complaints are “it works in chrome but not safari and I don’t want to s…

Two different points in IE’s history.

Chrome is like IE in the IE5 era when it was totally dominant and the best browser around.

Safari is like IE in the IE7-8 era when it was the worst browser and actively holding back everything else.

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Post by xenospn »

galangalalgol wrote: post #315
PHGamer wrote: post #164

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or apple could just develop an os such that if an app doesnt respect your settings it just flat out doesnt work. this would force facebook to at least make concessions on their app. There is no reason for walled garden. people can control the system themselves if setup.

Why do Spotify, facebook, and Twitter need anything beyond a web app these days? What does a native app get that helps them monetize? Access to contacts maybe?

The twitter web app is what I use on a daily basis and it’s absolutely terrible. The app experience is vastly superior.

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Post by behnamoh »

fingerlocks wrote: post #344
biztos wrote: post #232

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I really want this to happen, and I hope Apple is forced to make it happen — a fairly likely scenario in the EU I think — but if they do allow side-loading I fear they will disable all sorts of Apple services when you flip that switch. No more Apple Pay, for starters. Maybe no iMessage. Things where they can argue they have to turn them off to protect the user, and/or themselves, from rogue apps. And then you could h…

Agreed. The real reason is the inevitable avalanche of support requests that hit when some popular side loaded app introduces a 0-day. No one at the Genius Bar is going to touch your toxic device. That means no Apple Care or iCloud backups either. Support is expensive. Apple spends a lot of money to provide what is generally very excellent support. It’s a huge component of the overall brand for many users that stay i…

Apple wouldn't want that in the first place because a customer who's angry at a 0-day (even if it wasn't caused by Apple) still hurts Apple's brand image.

Apple has gone a long way by sticking to the safest paths, meaning they do things that cause the most customer satisfaction, and don't do anything that can go wrong. That's why Apple abandoned the iCar project because while many would like the concept, a car experience is not something that Apple can have control over; if users get into car accidents, for example, that hurts Apple's brand no matter the cause of the incident. In comparison, making phones, Macs, tablets, etc. is fairly safe as long as Apple retains its full control over the experience (which must be perfect for most consumers).

Because of this, I don't really see Apple allowing app sideloading, even though I personally like it. I think the more pressing issue right now is the 30% cut on AppStore.

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Post by ace2358 »

woodruffw wrote: post #204
smoldesu wrote: post #198

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Me neither, but every time I put on my Sony XM4s Apple Music gives me a nice modal asking me to pay for their service. It's really lovely UX.

Well, that's a little bit different from an ad, but I take your point. That doesn't happen to me when I use the cheap earbud things that Apple sells (I use a Subsonic client app for music); do you have any idea what triggers it?

Curious which subsonic client? I’ve been using play:sun for a few years and sometimes AVSub. These clients are okay, but I do get some weird issues with them sometimes.

Having said that, I love subserver more than any other media server options.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by spacemadness »

smoldesu wrote: post #180
woodruffw wrote: post #153

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Apart from App Store recommendations, where are you seeing Apple-originated ads on an iPhone?

News, Stocks, Apple Music are all big sources of ad junk. That's without mentioning all of the iCloud/service nags like AppleTV.

What ad junk? Can you give an example? Do you mean notifications?
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