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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by interpol_p » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 7:10 AM UTC

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I think this is less about control, and more about avoiding the 15-30% fee charged for selling through the App Store

As a user, I have always been able to run what I want on Apple devices. Most recently I found my kids were seeing bad recommendations on the YouTube app on Apple TV. I did not like the recommendations, or the adverts. I was able to clone Yattee[1] from Github and build it to the Apple TV from my laptop on the couch

Not as easy as side-loading, but also not difficult. Now when you want to _sell_ something like this, you can't. I'm fine with that. Freedom to run code is different from the freedom to package it up and sell it on a platform you don't own

Google makes side-loading hard[2] on Android for exactly the same reasons. They give preferential treatment[3] to big apps to prevent them from starting competing stores

I have the level of control that I like over my devices. I can't install my own OS on an iPhone, but there's great developments on Mac[4]. Given the hardware is now basically identical, this seems OK

[1] https://github.com/yattee/yattee

[2] https://www.androidauthority.com/fortnite-android-sideloadin...

[3] https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/08/30/google-allegedly-of...

[4] https://asahilinux.org

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by amatecha » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 7:12 AM UTC

Hmm, plenty of "thoughts and prayers" as I browse on my OpenBSD laptop, listening to DRM-free music I bought on Bandcamp... I used to be a Spotify subscriber, and I used to buy Apple products... both companies have treated me (and the rest of their customers) worse and worse over time, and I take my money elsewhere.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by jonny_eh » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 7:13 AM UTC

bayindirh wrote: post #427

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

Any argument in favour of the iPhone being so locked down needs to contend with the fact that Macs are just as reliable, but far more configurable. All I want is the for the iPhone to be as open as a Mac. Let me run binaries signed by legit devs!

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by devmunchies » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 7:15 AM UTC

musicale wrote: post #359

rtsil wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can replace it with a monitor + a pair of stereo speakers.

I like this option, though I have noticed that monitors seem to be more expensive and are not always available in the TV size you might want.

I recommend this as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33813255

You’re right though. My 44” monitor for my living room was $550, but that only seems expensive compared to the ad-subsidized smart TVs.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by wvenable » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 7:16 AM UTC

spacemadness wrote: post #394

wvenable wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those Progress on that front is hampered because fruit company only allows their own browser and puts just enough effort into it to keep it relevant as a web browser.

Is it really all Apple? Sites like Reddit hammer you with “it’s better on the app!” spam so they can force you to see ads and whatever else they want you to see.

Reddit has ads in the browser. They can't send you notifications, though. At least for now. If the experience is better in the app (for you or for them) then clearly the browser is the limiting factor.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by Jataman606 » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 7:16 AM UTC

ChadNauseam wrote: post #435

cramjabsyn wrote: post #70

“Over and over again @Apple gives itself every advantage while at the same time stifling innovation and hurting consumers.” That’s funny Ek. Seems like Spotify gives itself every advantage while at the same time stifling innovation and hurting musicians.

How do they hurt musicians? Google says they pay at least a third of a cent per stream. How much should they pay?

Wow so you just need to have around million streams a month to get livable* salary!

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by steve1977 » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 7:17 AM UTC

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

If you want to own stuff and are not a fan of subscriptions, Spotify is probably not the company to root for.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by jonny_eh » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 7:18 AM UTC

fishcrackers wrote: post #159

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I like being able to trust my device and my kids device, if you wan't something to hack on get a pinephone or something the reality is that billions of people need to trust their phones with their most personal information, fininaces and lives and apple's policies while sometimes annoying do a lot to build that trust they aren't a big secret and if you don't like it you're free to not buy their products

> the reality is that billions of people need to trust their phones with their most personal information

Does this apply to Macs as well? Why can't iPhones be at least as open as a Mac?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by sunshinerag » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 7:22 AM UTC

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I do not want to control or micromanage my devices. I like someone to take care of all the little details that I am not an expert in but would like to be served with good taste. I would pay good money for such a device/service. Apple fits the bill. I believe there are other phones for perennial tinkerers. (I once was)

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by klabb3 » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 7:23 AM UTC

jonny_eh wrote: post #453

bayindirh wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

Any argument in favour of the iPhone being so locked down needs to contend with the fact that Macs are just as reliable, but far more configurable. All I want is the for the iPhone to be as open as a Mac. Let me run binaries signed by legit devs!

> Macs are just as reliable, but far more configurable

Apple has been working tirelessly for years to retrofit the iOS model to Mac. It's probably just a matter of time, unfortunately.