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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by CamperBob2 »

cryptonector wrote: post #511
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

The lack of respect for users is really shocking lately.

It's "for our security," dontchaknow.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by bmurphy1976 »

x0x0 wrote: post #480
cma wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Had the same with Apple. An update made it quit sleeping correctly when using a microsd card to expand storage (it worked fine at first).

Me too. The Yubikey nano -- the little one meant to be permanently left in a usb slot your laptop -- absolutely nukes the battery in my mac, draining it on "sleep" to zero within a day or so. Infuriating incompetence.

Huh. What version Mac/OSX are you using? I've had a Yubikey Nano plugged into various iterations of a MacBook Pro for years and haven't noticed this. The worst battery killer for me is Firefox.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Godel_unicode »

brianwawok wrote: post #507
Phileosopher wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same sentiment, and that's how I found Linux. I've now made it a solemn vow to convert every daily driver I have to dual-boot Win/Linux when it's a >100GB HD.

My XPS 13 on Ubuntu while sleping randomly turns on in my backpack and tries to melt a hole/burns the battery to 0. So I think at least SOME of it might be hardware related.

The takeaway from this thread is that there is no platform safe from this issue.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by ganoushoreilly »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #516
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

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This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...

We have a few users that leave clamshell mode while working at home and the past year never opened their laptops. Same thing. Permanent heat stain on the display in the form of the keyboard. Granted that's more than just sleeping issues, but it's definitely something that happens.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #516
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...

I once had told Caffeine not to sleep my 2014 MBPr when the lid was shut and later put it in my backpack.

Why the frak doesn’t the laptop have an over temp shutdown feature? iPhones so, trying leaving one in the sun for a bit.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by rooprob »

2020 XPS 9310 user here. Running Linux on the Windows edition of this laptop, with the killer wifi ath11k QCA6390. Bios 3.0.4.

Wifi: I’m now on Linux 5.14.3 and have been chasing latest kernels all year for stable QCA6390 support - this is now all good for this edition of the laptop.

Sleep: Running hot in sleep, would always be flat in the morning etc.

As others have pointed out, there are infrequent issues where rewakening doesn’t completely - blank screen, necessitating hard power off.

However sleep/resume are much better - to the point of acceptable - after switching to AHCI disk setup in the bios.

https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=211879#c24

Switching bios disk from RAID to AHCI allows the machine to reach C10. The creates the issue Windows 10 (Pro) no longer sees the boot drive, so you have to set it back to RAID mode if needed.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by naikrovek »

fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows.

I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have.

if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention.

usually, for me, it's been device drivers which have permission to wake the computer from sleep by default, for some stupid reason. removing that permission on those devices has eliminated "hot bag syndrome" for me entirely.

I agree that these steps should not need to be taken. device driver authors are the source of almost all bad crap like this in windows.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by jyrkesh »

masklinn wrote: post #408
pomian wrote: post #377

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Yes. I agree. It seems to be getting harder to set up hibernate as an option. Regular (non HN) users might not even figure out that hibernate is a possibility. But it definitely is a better option than sleep.

> But it definitely is a better option than sleep. It's the better option if you don't mind the longer time waking up, since RAM has to be restored from disk. Otherwise, sleep should be backed by hibernation on all machines (it certainly is on mac laptops, and I think it is on windows as well): in case of power loss during sleep, the machine falls back to waking from hibernation, but if there was no power loss it wak…

Sure, but it definitely avoids a bunch of the problems mentioned in this thread. It's annoying that you have to dig so hard to even make Hibernate visible next to Sleep, Shutdown, and Reboot on the various power menus.

I recently switched from an XPS 15 to an M1 MacBook Pro, and it's glorious that I just don't have to think about it anymore. The XPS 15 had all the problems I'm reading above, and then some.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by KarlTheCool »

Microsoft has a serious issue with thinking it's ok to wake up from sleep mode. I added a script to the task scheduler to resleep if woken up by anything other than the power button[1]. In retrospect, the wake ups were either to perform updates or some kind of bug related to transitioning to hibernation which ends up with the pc idling on[2]. Both of which would result in the classic hot bag / dead battery situation.

[1] https://github.com/KarlTheCool/NeverWake

[2] https://old.reddit.com/r/gpdwin/comments/iqmdeo/windows_kept...

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by lrvick »

xyst wrote: post #512
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I feel using Windows for anything other than gaming is just going to give you more headaches than just learning to use a unix based OS. Most applications are available on multiple platforms and alternatives exist for those few applications that are not available. In my opinion, the only reason why Windows is so prevalent in the "enterprise" world is because Microsoft provides support contracts to make it easier to ad…

I even dropped Windows for gaming.

Almost all Steam games work flawlessly out of the box now thanks to extensive investment in Proton.

That is why the Valve is confident shipping the steam deck with Linux.

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