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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by II2II »

Biganon wrote: post #401
filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

I'm on Arch, and it gets hot in my bag when in sleep mode. Hibernate is certainly good though, since it's basically powered off, but I haven't tested because in my experience hibernation on Linux is kinda finicky to get to work flawlessly

I ended up configuring my machine to suspend to disk when the power button is hit. I would agree with the hibernation function being finicky under Linux except I ran across similar behavior under Windows, so it probably has something to do with how power management is handled on PC hardware.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by cma »

mnadkvlb wrote: post #434
algismo wrote: post #403

I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

Recently bought a 7390 latitude (2-3 years old). amazing machine for basic remote desktop and basic office work etc. Battery lasts 10+ hrs on light work. Had the sleep states turned on and would randomly die at 60% battery while sleeping. Found out its a long standing bug in dells. Sometimes it just restarts the machine so if its in a bag it will just keep running. Turned of sleep states in firmware and instead now i…

Had the same with Apple. An update made it quit sleeping correctly when using a microsd card to expand storage (it worked fine at first).

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by tim333 »

algismo wrote: post #403

I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

I can recommend the M1 air which has surprised me the other direction in hardly using any battery while sleeping. The prior Intel macbook used a lot more.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by teawrecks »

fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

Ah, must be why I've never had any issues with my xps running Linux.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by IncRnd »

mnadkvlb wrote: post #453
IncRnd wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The laptops can enter a special standby mode that keeps the network alive, so they will immediately resume when the lid opens. This means, of course, that the laptops never actually shut down and run constantly.

true, but i actually turn that explicitly off on physical network settings in windows. My guess is windows will apparently not let u control such things, as the advertising data pipe has to be alive no matter what. Microsft seems to be both google and apple at the same time, selling ads and hardware.

I'm really sorry that didn't work for you.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by cududa »

My 2017 MBP that was fully spec’d out is both the most expensive and worst laptop I’ve ever owned.

-Rarely ever goes to sleep

-It’s the same model Facebook returned a few thousand of because it randomly voltage surges the USB-C ports and fries stuff plugged into it. Apple refuses to acknowledge this, even though a bad voltage surge blew out the left speaker.

-Keyboards been replaced four times

-NVRAM needs to be reset weekly

-Charging it is super fun. If it still has a charge, you get to randomly pick a USB-C port to plug the charger in. If it’s not that one, power cycle the charger for 30 seconds and try a new port

-Given it never goes to sleep and has no charging indicator, when it’s dead (most of the time I open it) you get to play the charging port roulette, except you have to keep it plugged in a few minutes to see if it gets a charge, before power cycling the charging brick.

-A small half circle of glass popped out of the bottom of the display, where it meets the hinge when it was running an intense CPU load

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by IlliOnato »

errantspark wrote: post #436

Imagine if we had the technology to, when a laptop was in a hibernated or off state to use some sort of a mechanism to physically disconnect the battery. I know this is absolutely crazy but it seems to me that this would solve these problems in a foolproof way that wouldn't lead to the situation where your mission critical piece of equipment has killed it's battery, or itself entirely because it decided to do somethi…

10-14 years ago my Dell laptops had removable battery. I did not use it to ensure anything (hibernation worked perfectly for me these days), but I would carry with me a spare fully-charged battery. Two batteries usually were enough for a cross-Atlantic trip, which was a frequent feature of my life.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by cududa »

teawrecks wrote: post #474
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

Ah, must be why I've never had any issues with my xps running Linux.

Yeah because if anything, Linux is definitely known for great power management on laptops

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by [deleted] »

algismo wrote: post #403

I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by x0x0 »

cma wrote: post #472
mnadkvlb wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently bought a 7390 latitude (2-3 years old). amazing machine for basic remote desktop and basic office work etc. Battery lasts 10+ hrs on light work. Had the sleep states turned on and would randomly die at 60% battery while sleeping. Found out its a long standing bug in dells. Sometimes it just restarts the machine so if its in a bag it will just keep running. Turned of sleep states in firmware and instead now i…

Had the same with Apple. An update made it quit sleeping correctly when using a microsd card to expand storage (it worked fine at first).

Me too.

The Yubikey nano -- the little one meant to be permanently left in a usb slot your laptop -- absolutely nukes the battery in my mac, draining it on "sleep" to zero within a day or so. Infuriating incompetence.

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