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The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by thereisnospork »

roel_v wrote: post #500
thereisnospork wrote: post #418

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The problem is that is been a month now: not having an answer is flatly unacceptable governance.

Why?

You think it is acceptable that our government either: A. Has no plan behind what they are doing or B. Has a plan, but is refusing to share? Because that's my reading their press release. Please enlighten me why you feel that the current state of affairs in disclosure and planning regarding the future of the lock-down represents leadership on the correct side of competent?

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by jackcosgrove »

greendave wrote: post #389
the_watcher wrote: post #341

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What evidence is there that the SIP is limited in effectiveness? The existing evidence I am aware of is starkly contra that assertion. Anecdotes of seeing people too close together in the park are not evidence of an ineffective SIP.

It's not that SIP does nothing - it's that past a certain point, the rates are what they are. San Mateo and Santa Clara counties have seen a slight increase in the number of cases last week over the previous week. Other Bay Area counties have seen a slight decrease [1]. I don't see how increased traffic/travel as we're starting to see [2] will do anything other than increase transmissions. [1] https://projects.sfchro…

I thought the purpose of SIP orders was to prevent overwhelming hospital ICUs. Covid case numbers are upstream of that but it's not 1-1.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by numpad0 »

1121redblackgo wrote: post #477
Zarath wrote: post #271

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Get off reddit, you won't regret it or miss it at all tbh.

Reddit sure aint what it used to be.

I feel a strong division of producer/corporate vs consumer in Reddit today. Every sub is more or less a “fan community” defined by something external, something its userbase only communicate with over the counter, and that doesn’t happen elsewhere.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by imprettycool »

exmadscientist wrote: post #276
ultrarunner wrote: post #245

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I intentionally moved from reddit to HN after this same specific realization. After a few years it seemed like reddit would be a good place for hyper local info on covid, but I quickly saw the same effect— misanthropy in the face of so many people trying to do the best they could for others during hard times. It’s off topic here, but I seriously wonder what specifically caused reddit to adopt the largely toxic cultur…

There were three huge changes to Reddit culture that I noticed. I might have these out of chronological order, but that's not material to the changes themselves. The first was when posts started showing thumbnails. This made image content much more viable. Unfortunately, while there's plenty of awesome image content, it's also one of the lowest-effort routes for "shitposts" (the definition of which is left to the rea…

Yeah the Digg migration is what killed the site, IMO.

Now that I see this comment thread, I really need to stop visiting that site. It was clearly dead by 2016 and it's only getting worse now. Even subs like /r/ExperiencedDevs and /r/CSCareerQuestions are terrible.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by aaron-lebo »

Mehdi2277 wrote: post #513
_xnmw wrote: post #323

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Where on earth are you paying $200/mo for rent?

I know that for my oklahoma college friends they often had rent around 250/month for a room in the oklahoma city metro area (norman specifically). 200/month in some small oklahoma town is probably doable for a room.

It's been a decade, but a friend in a college town just north of Dallas had an off campus apt for $300 a month. I had an off campus apt much closer to everything for under $500, similarly a friend even closer had an apt for $500.

The prices are a lot cheaper in a lot of US metros than the tech centers.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by jshevek »

adrr wrote: post #460
icelancer wrote: post #419

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>> If we want to get back to normal getting community spread to 0 should be the goal and we need to keep everything locked down to achieve that. Do you know what that will cost both in an acute USD fashion as well as the geopolitical and economic chronic fashion? I'm legitimately interested if you've thought through the externalities of this plan.

Economy will crash even if we open up and 50% of the population can’t participate due to age or having condition like obesity, diabetes or hypertension. People will continue to voluntarily shelter. Only way out of this getting Is community spread to near normal so we whole society can participate. Other countries have achieved this and will dominate economically. We are going to have food shortages because of our lac…

I have seen many arguments with this same problem:

>Economy will crash even if we open up

This invites us to think of economic crashes as a do-or-don't function. This oversimplifies, and prevents us from thinking through the various degrees of "opening up" we might attempt, and the various kinds of economic harm we will suffer in different scenarios.

>People will continue to voluntarily shelter.

Some people will. Some people already were, for other medical reasons. The question is how many, and how much of an impact this will have (both in terms of controlling the disease spread, and harming people's physical health, emotional health, financial health).

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Post by zone411 »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #217
blast wrote: post #165

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It's a class divide, unfortunately. The people who are getting hit hardest are the people who were already getting hit hardest. Most of those don't frequent the same internet forums we do.

Any suggestions on which they do frequent?

We have many discussions on our forum https://www.city-data.com/forum/

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by weq »

icelancer wrote: post #412
hombre_fatal wrote: post #4

I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…

I have two commercial leases. Neither landlord is offering a break. Construction is stopped due to government mandate. There is no bailout from the state due to this intervention. There is a high liklihood of mass layoffs and potential bankruptcy. I'm past the point of annoyance or despair. I've gotten used to the fact that not only do governments do whatever they want, but people like authoritarian action and don't…

My first tenant's mum was one of the first wave effected in China. He broke his lease to go back and be with her. I then leased to another person, small buisness owner, who was shut down the week she moved in. I let her break her lease.

The best i can do in this situation is get a loan holiday for my mortage from my bank. But i dont get anything for free, i will need to pay it back, plus interest.

The small and medium guys are taking the big hits. The big guys are liquidating to protect investors. And everyone in between is fighting over the scraps.

I believe in karma. When i say we are in this all together, i mean from a civilization perspective, if only 5% of the worlds population has cash at the end of this, that cash wont mean much. Entire nations wont just fade away. Something has to give.

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Post by jshevek »

xfitm3 wrote: post #292
dustingetz wrote: post #289

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Humanity used to be a lot worse, you just didn't have a way of knowing that because ... reddit did not exist. Reddit and social media has generally progressive effects for the same reason that increased communication between diverse people has progressive effects. Yes bad ideas spread but good ideas spread faster

It's disingenuous to say it used to be worse pre-reddit because there is no data. I will say the Reddit community is extremely toxic. I left the site about 2-3 years ago when in my opinion it got real bad.

>It's disingenuous to say it used to be worse pre-reddit because there is no data.

It was not disingenuous to state their opinion that it used to be worse, while also noting the lack of data (to suggest that people's perceptions are influenced by the data available).

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by numpad0 »

greendude29 wrote: post #354
greendave wrote: post #144

The problem is that the shelter-in-place rule is already limited in effectiveness due to a very lengthy list of exceptions plus many people not observing the spirit of the rule. Compliance will only drop over time as people see that 1) Their actions are having no obvious impact and 2) There is no clear end in sight. If the primary goal of extending the order is to give local governments time to build out infrastructu…

> The problem is that the shelter-in-place rule is already limited in effectiveness I've mostly read that the "control" we have over covid-19 now is due to the SIP. Can you source your claim?

SIP being fully effective would mean a monotonic reduction towards eradication, whereas it’s merely giving us a control
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