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YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by immutate »

dntbnmpls wrote: post #464
heavenlyblue wrote: post #321

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Almost no one in previous history had an ability to directly target poor, uneducated masses which their own content created in their own bedroom. Also let’s be honest - the likes of Hitler actually came from the likes of people who would tell you to stop listening to WHO advice and to go start fires in 5G towers. Don’t get me wrong, freedom of speech et. al., and we’re probably also going to get burnt by the freedom…

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Cool. As an American you should be well versed in how companies work, as well as contracts, and the fact that you can absolutely be "censored" on a private platform.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by throwaway2048 »

brink wrote: post #505
throwaway2048 wrote: post #373

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So again, this is an argument for allowing specific, identifiably harmful and wrong claims?

I understand the motivation. And it may even appear to be beneficial at first, but censorship is a slippery slope.

So in other words you don't have an argument for not blocking specific instances of harmful content.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by busymom0 »

xster wrote: post #518
mrwesleycrusher wrote: post #38

Remember when the WHO didn't recognize Taiwan as a sevreign nation? Obviously the WHO isn't solely objective.

> recognize Taiwan as a sevreign nation This statement shows the power of western media. Yes the WHO doesn't. Neither does any other political entity in the world. Neither the US, nor the 14 of 193 UN members that has diplomatic relations with the ROC, nor does "Taiwan" itself recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Even the most pro-US pro-independence party in Taiwan, the DPP, does not recognize Taiwan as a soverei…

Taiwan emailed WHO in December warning about China lying about the human-to-human transmission not happening and WHO refused to acknowledge Taiwan's reports. Then on January 14th, WHO tweeted saying human to human transmission was not possible. Then when it came out that they were wrong, they claimed Taiwan never emailed them. Taiwan brought receipts with the emails.

Also the WHO spokesman went on an interview with Hong Kong media and refused to even answer a question about Taiwan, then hung up the call after pretending to not hear the question.

This is not corporate media telling me so (don't even know why you would claim that). This is plain facts on video and email available for everyone to see.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by andrewclunn »

immutate wrote: post #530
twomoretime wrote: post #306

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It's the same force that has been influencing academia for some time now.

Sources/references?

its obvious and pervasive to anyone paying atention. id make a more subatantive response, but people who speak actual truth get downvoted or shadowbanned on here (as I have), so I'll settlw dor telling you to take your smug pseuodo intellectual dismissal and shovw it.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by busymom0 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #142
xupybd wrote: post #81

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It's the awkward way they one representative handled a question on Taiwan. Pretending he didn't hear the question. I think it speaks more to the unwillingness of a world health organisation to even discuss politically dangerous topics.

>I think it speaks more to the unwillingness of a world health organisation to even discuss politically dangerous topics. Which is perfectly reasonable if you understand that these questions are looked at through the lens of international diplomacy and these people don't just wing geopolitical questions because every single answer can cause an international shitstorm (not just in regards to China, but every territori…

It's not international diplomacy when WHO ignored Taiwan's warning emails from December and went with China's lies instead.

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Post by nl »

garmaine wrote: post #218
Barrin92 wrote: post #65

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Neither does the US. Taiwan is only recognised by IIRC 12 natinos, mostly small island states. This has become another weird internet talking point as international recognition pretty much unanmiously switched to the PRC in the 1970s.

Nope. The US just changed it’s official position to recognition of Taiwan as an independent entity, as part of the TAIPEI Act in response to all this.

The TAIPEI Act doesn't change the US's position on recognition as a country.

It specifically says "the US should advocate for Taiwan’s membership in all international organisations in which statehood is not a requirement"

Note the statehood is not a requirement thing.

I think it would be great if Taiwan had observer status at WHO, and I think the TAIPEI Act should help towards this. But the point remains: Taiwan is an unusual entity, and WHO is far from alone in having trouble with this.

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Post by immutate »

roenxi wrote: post #336
bosswipe wrote: post #324

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Thanks to Google, Facebook and the others this is the golden era of being able to widely disseminate your alternate theories on everything. If that is your definition of freedom then you are less oppressed then any other humans in history.

Some people would like freedom to discuss the coronavirus without being oppressed. They can't on YouTube if this policy takes hold. The sort of people who contradict the WHO happened to be right on this one; they predicted a problem early and tended to pre-empt the WHO on upcoming problems. This was also expected , because the WHO only advises stuff that is already obvious to everyone. Interested parties can offer be…

"Some people would like freedom to discuss the coronavirus without being oppressed. They can't on YouTube if this policy takes hold." so find another platform. YouTube has no obligation whatsoever to continue to disseminate disinformation, or theories. They've had a hard enough time banning and preventing the spread of chlorine dioxide-based "protocol" information, let alone the flimflam that's being discussed right now.

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Post by throwaway_jobs »

jimsmart wrote: post #280
cryptochromium wrote: post #143

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"Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China," https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152?s=20

Actually, technically that is the WHO summarising results from preliminary investigations by the Chinese authorities. Saying that that is the WHO making that claim is incorrect, a kind of logical fallacy. It's like a newspaper reporting on the words/claims of a celeb or politician, and folk claiming that those words/claims were actually the newspaper's claims.

> Saying that that is the WHO making that claim is incorrect, a kind of logical fallacy.

WHO is in fact making that claim at the behest of China. The are not reporting like a newspaper as you claim, because a newspaper would have a duty to investigate the claims, the WHO just took China at their word and republished it.

WHO is the UNs international health organization and they are supposed to be independent. The onus is on the WHO to publish this alleged “preliminary investigation” referenced by the Chinese Authorities (hint: it does not exist). Once they admit there was no actual written report of the “preliminary investigation” or data provided by the Chinese Authorities, then they can identify the actual Chinese Authority who made the representations to the WHO, and we can continue to peal back the layers.

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Post by nl »

brobinson wrote: post #204
jbay wrote: post #118

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Every one of the many Taiwanese people I know refer to it as Taiwan, too. It's very rare to hear anyone refer to it as the ROC, unless in the context of specifically making a distinction from the PRC, or in a formal document.

Right, calling the ROC and all of its holdings "Taiwan" just muddies the conversation and gives ammo to PRC shills claiming "Taiwan is a province of China" which deliberately uses the name of a single ROC holding and the ambiguous "China" term.

While you are technically correct, and it's true this is a real issue in PRC/ROC politics it's a strange hill to die on here.

I'd note that you linked to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_Armed_Forces to support your argument.

But the very first sentence of that page is "The Republic of China Armed Forces, commonly known as the Taiwanese Armed Forces..."

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by busymom0 »

pmiller2 wrote: post #206
isoskeles wrote: post #140

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It's evidence that the WHO is a political organization, and some of its recommendations, such as being against international travel bans, may be influenced by politics over public health.

>It's evidence that the WHO is a political organization ... Granted. > and some of its recommendations, such as being against international travel bans, may be influenced by politics over public health. This is the part that's not proven.

They did ignore Taiwan's emails from December warning about human to human transmission and later claimed they never received anything from Taiwan.
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