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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

#201

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. WHO is a political organization with medical leanings just like Fox News is an entertainment channel that covers newslike topics. Yes, there's a lot of information out there about SARS-COV2 and COVID-19 infections out there that are downright misleading at best and life threatening at worst. No, censoring that content including videos is NOT the role of a hosting platfo…

> WHO is a political organization

The YouTube statement was not, really, about the WHO. It was an interview. Wojcicki was pointing out that they'll be removing "medically unsubstantiated" content like 5G conspiracy theories, and as an example said that anything that clearly contradicts the WHO would likely not qualify.

The decision to put "WHO" up there in the lede seems to be click baiting on the part of the BBC. Frustratingly I can't find a link to a transcript of the original interview, or even an indication from the article about who it was with.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

#202
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the awkward way they one representative handled a question on Taiwan. Pretending he didn't hear the question. I think it speaks more to the unwillingness of a world health organisation to even discuss politically dangerous topics.

>I think it speaks more to the unwillingness of a world health organisation to even discuss politically dangerous topics. Which is perfectly reasonable if you understand that these questions are looked at through the lens of international diplomacy and these people don't just wing geopolitical questions because every single answer can cause an international shitstorm (not just in regards to China, but every territori…

Its not that it is unethical

But it does support the statement that "The WHO is a political organization with medical leanings".

Personally I think that statement puts it a bit too strongly. It would be like saying "PyCon is a feminist organization with technical leanings."

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

#203
post #85

Free speech (well, most freedoms, really) will die the day we decide "saving lives" is worth _any_ cost. Heck, we already decided trashing the economy is worth "saving lives" (how many?), I imagine some people would be overjoyed to remove the 1st amendment in order to lower disease spread, lower the suicide rate of those vulnerable to hate speech, etc. And why stop there? Remove 2nd amendment and you can save even mo…

I am noticing, increasingly in the country I live in - the U.S., an extremely concerning attitude towards love for censorship.

More concerning is that the proponents have "good intentions" at heart.

It's almost as if the concept of freedom is not understood.

Freedom is not free.

Freedom has a price, often a heavy price that one has to pay for it.

The fact that we are not children anymore who desparately need oversight and constant handholding, seems to be an alien concept.

"Oh! What do you do about those YouTUbe videos that tell you to drink bleach because it saves you from SARS-COV2!"

Well, I watch that video and research what the potential effects of drinking bleach even if there was no SARS-COV2 in this world would be and then weigh the potential effects of a COVID-19 infection and weigh the options.

This is, what I assumed, were the responsibilites of an adult - a process to make rational decisions instead of being spoonfed and told what to do like one would a child.

As I clarified elsewhere on this thread, the point I was making wasn't "liars, cranks and con artists don't exist, and no one gets to decide otherwise."

It was "liars, cranks and con artists do exist, and we need to empower people to decide which is which by letting them practise."

Yes, being an adult means having the freedom to drink alcohol and drive a car instead of waiting for a bus or a parent to come pick me up.

It also means having the responsibilities of making my own decisions instead of waiting for someone else to do it for me.

What's the expectation - that if the decision making authority makes a wrong decision that kills me, I can then blame them and collect damages?

That's crazy talk - for one, I will be dead already!

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

#204
post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: since people are misunderstanding this post, I am 100% pro-ROC and anti-PRC. I wish the ROC could rename itself to something else without triggering a PRC invasion. Check my comment history. I'm 100% pro-ROC and I support the ROC's continued (since 1912) independence as a sovereign entity. 中華民國萬歲 "Taiwan" isn't a country. It's an island controlled by the Republic of China alongside its other holdings. The ROC i…

Every one of the many Taiwanese people I know refer to it as Taiwan, too. It's very rare to hear anyone refer to it as the ROC, unless in the context of specifically making a distinction from the PRC, or in a formal document.

Right, calling the ROC and all of its holdings "Taiwan" just muddies the conversation and gives ammo to PRC shills claiming "Taiwan is a province of China" which deliberately uses the name of a single ROC holding and the ambiguous "China" term.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

#205

I guess if this were the 1500s YouTube would only have us post videos that confirm that witches and heretics should be burned at the stake. Maybe it would be okay to talk about a few more crusades. Mankind improves because systems become big, rigid, and unable to evolve. People come along and point that out, suggesting various theories about how those systems got that way, the reasons why they are wrong, and offering…

I am noticing, increasingly in the country I live in - the U.S., an extremely concerning attitude towards love for censorship.

More concerning is that the proponents have "good intentions" at heart.

It's almost as if the concept of freedom is not understood.

Freedom is not free.

Freedom has a price, often a heavy price that one has to pay for it.

The fact that we are not children anymore who desparately need oversight and constant handholding, seems to be an alien concept.

"Oh! What do you do about those YouTUbe videos that tell you to drink bleach because it saves you from SARS-COV2!"

Well, I watch that video and research what the potential effects of drinking bleach even if there was no SARS-COV2 in this world would be and then weigh the potential effects of a COVID-19 infection and weigh the options.

This is, what I assumed, were the responsibilites of an adult - a process to make rational decisions instead of being spoonfed and told what to do like one would a child.

As I clarified elsewhere on this thread, the point I was making wasn't "liars, cranks and con artists don't exist, and no one gets to decide otherwise."

It was "liars, cranks and con artists do exist, and we need to empower people to decide which is which by letting them practise."

Yes, being an adult means having the freedom to drink alcohol and drive a car instead of waiting for a bus or a parent to come pick me up.

It also means having the responsibilities of making my own decisions instead of waiting for someone else to do it for me.

What's the expectation - that if the decision making authority makes a wrong decision that kills me, I can then blame them and collect damages?

That's crazy talk - for one, I will be dead already!

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

#206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has what to do with their medical and public health recommendations?

It's evidence that the WHO is a political organization, and some of its recommendations, such as being against international travel bans, may be influenced by politics over public health.

>It's evidence that the WHO is a political organization ...

Granted.

> and some of its recommendations, such as being against international travel bans, may be influenced by politics over public health.

This is the part that's not proven.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

#207

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. WHO is a political organization with medical leanings just like Fox News is an entertainment channel that covers newslike topics. Yes, there's a lot of information out there about SARS-COV2 and COVID-19 infections out there that are downright misleading at best and life threatening at worst. No, censoring that content including videos is NOT the role of a hosting platfo…

this is an excellent idea: safe mode. let people who can't decide for themselves what's safe to watch, let them watch safe mode only. everyone else, should be able to decide for themselves (opt in)

Thank you! I thought is was a good idea too :)

Apparently I have hit the nerves of lots of people from my parent post and since I am and like to be publicly accessible, people who disliked my thoughts have really let me know what they think of me and where I belong :D

I am noticing, increasingly in the country I live in - the U.S., an extremely concerning attitude towards love for censorship.

More concerning is that the proponents have "good intentions" at heart.

It's almost as if the concept of freedom is not understood.

Freedom is not free.

Freedom has a price, often a heavy price that one has to pay for it.

The fact that we are not children anymore who desparately need oversight and constant handholding, seems to be an alien concept.

"Oh! What do you do about those YouTUbe videos that tell you to drink bleach because it saves you from SARS-COV2!"

Well, I watch that video and research what the potential effects of drinking bleach even if there was no SARS-COV2 in this world would be and then weigh the potential effects of a COVID-19 infection and weigh the options.

This is, what I assumed, were the responsibilites of an adult - a process to make rational decisions instead of being spoonfed and told what to do like one would a child.

As I clarified elsewhere on this thread, the point I was making wasn't "liars, cranks and con artists don't exist, and no one gets to decide otherwise."

It was "liars, cranks and con artists do exist, and we need to empower people to decide which is which by letting them practise."

Yes, being an adult means having the freedom to drink alcohol and drive a car instead of waiting for a bus or a parent to come pick me up.

It also means having the responsibilities of making my own decisions instead of waiting for someone else to do it for me.

What's the expectation - that if the decision making authority makes a wrong decision that kills me, I can then blame them and collect damages?

That's crazy talk - for one, I will be dead already!

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

#209
This is terrible. I wrote this week how centralized, point-and-click mass censorship has a non-obvious failure mode in emergencies/pandemics/wars that poses an existential threat to a free and self-determined society:

https://sneak.berlin/20200421/normalcy-bias/

(Note well that this exceptionally dangerous failure mode is based simply on the existence of the technological capability of mass instant censorship, not the merit of the specific editorial decisions of what content is censored or not.)

Furthermore, in any crisis or rapidly evolving situation, any one organization deeming themselves the sole arbiter of truth is extremely dangerous. What is true one day we learn with more information is false the next. You may recall this is the same WHO who said that healthy people get no benefit from wearing masks, and that also parroted China’s line about no human-to-human transmission. They are not immune to criticism, nor should they be.

Do you trust Google and the WHO to be superhuman, prescient and perfectly informed at all times? I don’t. (I also don’t think it’s any adult’s business telling another adult what they should or should not be able to read or watch.)

YouTube’s other censorship efforts have been actively impeding the research and prosecution of war crimes in the Syrian war as they are deleting hundreds of thousands of videos, amounting to destruction of evidence.

Either YouTube needs to stop being the default video upload target for most of internet-connected Earth, or they need to stop doing this shit. The current situation is far too dangerous.

Instagram/Facebook are even worse. Same problem.

These point-and-click mass censorship platforms are ticking time bombs for society-wide abuse even if they don’t censor anything most days of most decades.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

#210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is an excellent idea: safe mode. let people who can't decide for themselves what's safe to watch, let them watch safe mode only. everyone else, should be able to decide for themselves (opt in)

The problem isn’t letting people decide for themselves. It’s the fact that when it comes to some things, even a small minority “deciding stupid” can destroy the commons eg endanger lots of lives. Isn’t there a saying that’s something like, “your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins”?

> your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins

I live by that philosophy!

As I said here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22956768

"... if I see you foisting your opinions on what kind of content I get to see, that's you infringing on my freedom and we have a problem."

Your quote is more concise and to the point :D

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