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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by BbzzbB »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #412
worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

Recently I was reading that in Europe, most cars sold don't even have automatic transmission, yet the drivers there are much safer than than people in the US or Australia. There was some speculation that because they shift gears manually, they have to pay more attention to the road and can't do things like drink coffees while driving. They also enjoy driving a lot more than we do. I wonder if other technology would h…

Europe would be in a depression if you couldn't drink coffee while driving stick, which you certainly can.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by zdbrandon »

firecall wrote: post #491
worik wrote: post #367

What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

I want the technology to prevent others from driving dangerously. And myself, by extension. We all have human moments. Running red lights, mounting pavements to cut corners, brake-checking, dangerous overtaking, inadequate stopping distances, distractions, micro sleeps, accidently accelerating into shop fronts, and just generally phasing out because you are human. I personally hate anti-social driving behaviour. Brak…

I don't think I've ever once been "break-checked" in 15 years of driving. Is that something that only happens to people who habitually drive too close to the car in front of them? (Tailgating as we call it here.)

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by kiratp »

ifdefdebug wrote: post #266
chroma wrote: post #254

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The difference in FSD behavior is due to the EU’s laws on autonomous vehicles. The EU mandates maximum lateral acceleration, lane change times, and many other details that make for a worse (and less safe) driving experience.

Now why would the EU mandate details that make for a less safe driving? You are implying they are either malicious or stunningly incompetent.

https://electrek.co/2019/05/17/tesla-nerfs-autopilot-europe-...

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by gearsandbeers »

dvt wrote: post #499
0xr0kk3r wrote: post #431

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> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

This ship sailed like 60 years ago (blame your parents, speaking of consequences). At this point, autonomous driving is the best we can do in places like Los Angeles or San Diego.

The ship hasn't sailed, it will just take a very long time to come back to port

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by wahnfrieden »

nradov wrote: post #505
rcxdude wrote: post #464

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Self driving cars are much more likely to be public transport than individually owned. It's also extremely likely that it requires ride-sharing to be viable, which will substantially reduce traffic as well as car ownership (I suspect there may be enough cost pressure that most self-driving vehicles are more like minibuses than cars, which would also help a lot with pollution and congestion, but this may require regul…

Autonomous driving is just another safety and convenience feature, like cruise control or anti-lock brakes. It won't fundamentally change anything. I see no reason to give up owning my own cars even if they can drive themselves. The biggest reason is that I use my cars like a rolling storage locker or mobile base of operations when I'm out doing stuff. There's no way I'm going to deal with the hassle of shared vehicl…

How far off median income are you

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by onethought »

justapassenger wrote: post #478
onethought wrote: post #319

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Is there a database of videos of Mercedes? I know “they take liability” but if I’m dead, that still sucks. What has Mercedes ceo commented about it? I think you’ll find Mercedes just don’t publish anything, where as Tesla pretty much develop in the open. Regardless of the sausage, some people just don’t like knowing how it’s made.

> I think you’ll find Mercedes just don’t publish anything, where as Tesla pretty much develop in the open. Regardless of the sausage, some people just don’t like knowing how it’s made. Can you make this statement with a straight face? That a company develops machines that can kill you any second, up in the open, and have untrained people expose general public to those tests? How would you feel if I’d be developing m…

But they don’t. People ask to opt in to it. And that is exactly how human trials work in the medical test. So your analogy is apt.

Are you saying Mercedes process is better? Where they haven’t done extensive testing and have a brand new drug that has actually never been properly tested in the wild?

I’m confused what your point is.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by onethought »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #386
onethought wrote: post #319

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Is there a database of videos of Mercedes? I know “they take liability” but if I’m dead, that still sucks. What has Mercedes ceo commented about it? I think you’ll find Mercedes just don’t publish anything, where as Tesla pretty much develop in the open. Regardless of the sausage, some people just don’t like knowing how it’s made.

I don't think there are enough users of this Mercedes thing - and even it there were, they are most certainly not the type of people who will post their videos on youtube... Tesla publishes very limited and extremely biased numbers - they don't publish raw numbers allowing anybody to do the work. "Tesla pretty much develop in the open" - that's the issue though - should something like car auto-pilot be allowed to be…

Agree, so that’s at least possible because Tesla allow people to share. Literally no other company has anything like that kind of data in the public domain. Except that stupid “collision self reporting” register California keeps for self driving systems.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by [deleted] »

fallingknife wrote: post #350
Eisenstein wrote: post #322

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Why are people willing to excuse things because they happen in a car? If an AI power tool were going haywire once in a while and chopping the arms off of bystanders near by, would we find that acceptable because people using non-AI powered tools also chop off their body parts sometimes? 'We can't know if it would have happened if a person were in control' is not an argument that would fly for anything else just as da…

> would we find that acceptable because people using non-AI powered tools also chop off their body parts sometimes? Yes, if the AI power tools chop off less limbs than the human controlled power tools, I would find that acceptable.

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Post by davchana »

kaliqt wrote: post #514
pavlov wrote: post #477

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Who builds and maintains the roads for your car?

Not quite the same because they don't control as easily who drives on the roads. They can easily stop you from getting on the train though.

"They" routinely close or cordon off the roads & sections. They also suspend license privilege (obviously as allowed under laws & regulations).

This would be no different than cancelling the whole train or train route; & stopping or cancelling one's entrance pass to train station.

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