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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Yeah, self driving cars would be a step backward as currently imagined. We need high speed rail to connect our cities.

> We need high speed rail to connect our cities. Perhaps we need to slow down a bit, in general?

If the rail isn’t faster than the car then it won’t ever see wide scale adoption. It’s not even remotely difficult to clear this bar when the political will exists. Why slow down when there’s no actual need to?

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What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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Working in the AV space, it's really frustrating how confidently people who have no idea about what's hard and what isn't go off about Tesla right now. Mercedes has soundly beaten the last decade of Tesla efforts by reaching L3. I've personally watched FSD go off the rails and into a crash situation within 60 seconds of being turned on three times this month (I have a friend who loves to try it in San Francisco) Had…

This FUD is insane. You make it sounds like Tesla's with FSD on are crashing all the time. This makes no sense at all, because... they aren't?

I agree, the Fucked Up Deaths are insane.

For point of comparison, the entire rest of the auto industry, worldwide has fewer advanced driver deaths than Tesla, despite millions more cars on the road with advanced driving functionality.

On an absolute, and relative, basis Tesla advanced driving is the most dangerous advanced driving system in the world.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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This isn't what we need. I don't want to depend on the government for my primary means of travel or be limited by it.

Who builds and maintains the roads for your car?

Not quite the same because they don't control as easily who drives on the roads. They can easily stop you from getting on the train though.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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> Recently I was reading that in Europe, most cars sold don't even have automatic transmission I don't have any numbers regarding sales, but after renting 10s of cars in Europe during the last decade, it seems like they almost never have any manual cars anymore. In some countries, the entire fleet doesn't even include any manual ones anymore, I was told the last time I wanted to rent a car.

That’s true for rentals, they don’t want idiots screwing up their gearboxes. But, most cars on the streets are manuals, and you can’t get a driver’s license if you don’t know how to drive one.

That is only true in poorer European countries with older, cheaper vehicle fleets. Most new car sales in more affluent countries no longer have manual transmissions. Modern automatics with 8+ forward gears or CVTs are more fuel efficient than manuals and easier to integrate as part of hybrid systems. And of course EV sales are growing rapidly: they don't use conventional transmissions at all.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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I love reading the mental gymnastics the anti-Elon folks in here are doing to actually believe Mercedes has beat Tesla in autonomous driving.

because is not like that?

Anyone who is knowledgeable about the subject knows it is not. They’re not even in the same league, it’s really laughable.

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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According to labor union association AFL-CIO, the highest CEO compensation in 2021 was $835 million[1], less than a tenth the cost of the $10 billion estimate for the North-South connector. Also, I would expect at least a few cost overruns. [1] https://aflcio.org/paywatch/highest-paid-ceos

Yeah, the highest paid single individual person on that list gets only a measly 8% of the total estimate per year , therefore we shouldn't tax the rich. The extreme mental gymnastics some people will go to to rationalize the current state of the world absolutely blows my mind.

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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

I want the technology to prevent others from driving dangerously. And myself, by extension. We all have human moments. Running red lights, mounting pavements to cut corners, brake-checking, dangerous overtaking, inadequate stopping distances, distractions, micro sleeps, accidently accelerating into shop fronts, and just generally phasing out because you are human. I personally hate anti-social driving behaviour. Brak…

I drive every day in Australia, thankfully not in peak hour but hundreds of km per week and I have never seen brake checking, didn't know it was a thing, had to Google the term to find out what it means.

I have noticed a lot of people failing to keep a safe distance from the car in front (tailgating), though, which is far stupider to me. Maybe the two are related?

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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What do we want from self driving cars? Naturally I wand a car I can summon from the pub that will drive me the 20km, over country roads, to my house while I mix cocktails or have a nap. That may never happen, current technology does not seem up to it. Then what? Modern cruise control, that keeps my car a constant distance form the car in front (unless it roars off at a speed higher that what I am comfortable with) i…

That’s exactly right. Partial self driving is not only useless but dangerous

Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California

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> What do we want from self driving cars? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I want public transportation infrastructure and far, far, FAR fewer cars. I think the US should strive to reduce car ownership by 75% over the next 20 years, at least in cities over a certain population size. I don't want any more money invested in self-driving cars. But I'm also a grown-up of a certain age and realize the bright-eyed 20-something…

This ship sailed like 60 years ago (blame your parents, speaking of consequences). At this point, autonomous driving is the best we can do in places like Los Angeles or San Diego.

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